Welcome Todd Haley - Browns OC

AZ_ said:

Haley didn’t coach wide receivers in Pittsburgh, AB and the rest of that group have been churning out talent for years because of Richard Mann.

We’ll see what Adam Henry can do for that group.

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FrontPageNews said:

I wonder what the issue was with al saunders. He was an all time great offensive coach. Was he too soft on our WRs? Watching him in practice he didn’t look like an old man who couldn’t coach them anymore. He was all over the place. I’m not sure Henry can do any better unless we bring in more talent.

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MirORich said:

The issue was Gordon was out 11 games

Britt was just caching a check

Coleman hit injured again

And the rest of the WR room are the type of players that take 3-4 years to develop, if they ever develop. On a good team Louis or Higgins are the 6th guy, barely see snaps, and then emerge ready in year three or get moved on from.

On top of that they had a 21 year old rookie QB that was not ready to be a starter or distributor throwing to them.

What exactly was Al Saunders supposed to do?

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FrontPageNews said:

Exactly my point. Saunders is one of the best. How much more can Adam Henry do?

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SanduskyCav said:

Now need to sign Le’veon. Knows exactly how to use him

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CBBI said:

Haley's offenses year-by-year.

2007 Cardinals: 7th in PPG, 12th in YPG
2008 Cardinals: 3rd in PPG, 4th in YPG
2009 Chiefs (was OC/play caller): 23rd in PPG, 25th in YPG
2010 Chiefs (was not OC/play caller): 14th in PPG, 12th in YPG
2011 Chiefs (was not OC/play caller): 31st in PPG, 27th in YPG
2012 Steelers (pre Le'veon Bell): 22nd in PPG, 21st in YPG
2013 Steelers: 16th in PPG, 20th in YPG
2014 Steelers: 7th in PPG, 2nd in YPG
2015 Steelers: 4th in PPG, 3rd in YPG
2016 Steelers: 10th in PPG, 7th in YPG
2017 Steelers: 8th in PPG, 3rd in YPG

Much like many other successful offensive coordinators, Haley's done a great job when he's been paired up with elite talent at QB like Warner and Roethlisberger. Not as good when he's worked with guys like Cassel.

If he ends up getting the OC job, hopefully Dorsey can find a QB for him.

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The Cleveland Browns are talking to potential offensive coordinators about their vacant position, and, should Hue Jackson follow through on his remarks from early in the offseason and hand over full play-calling duties, this is actually an attractive job. Very attractive.

New general manager John Dorsey, a well-respected football man, is overhauling the front office, and they are going to find better players and draft a talented quarterback first overall. As an added bonus, should Jackson continue his dogged pursuit of the record books (0-16 and 1-15 in two years on the job in Cleveland), then it's easy to predict an in-season firing in 2018 ... which could give the new offensive coordinator a chance to run the entire team, break Cleveland's long losing streak and greatly raise his visibility and viability for future head coaching jobs, there or elsewhere. (I'd also note that Browns defensive coordinator Gregg Williams did a nice job with his unit last season under extreme duress and has head-coaching experience as well.)

So, given all of that, it makes perfect sense to be interviewing guys like Ben McAdoo and Todd Haley for the OC job. Of course, the only way the Browns are going to land someone who has prior head-coaching experience and vast time spent running an offense is if this job comes with full authority to run the offense without meddling from Jackson. And, well, let's just say there is are all kind of rumblings about just that. Will Jackson sign off on a coaching hire that could quickly undermine his own job status? How will all that play out, with constant clashes between coaching and personnel part of what's undermined the Browns for years? Might always-embattled and rarely-winning owner Jimmy Haslam have to intervene?

Let's just say that people are talking about this dynamic, both in that organization and around the league. Jackson, who has failed to identify or develop a quarterback in Cleveland to this point and earned considerable criticism for how he handled rookie DeShone Kizer last season, is fairly set in his ways and has offensive concepts he strongly believes in. And he already hired a quarterback coach a few weeks back that he knows well through his Bengals ties in Ken Zampese, who didn't make it through September in Cincy last season.

There is significant consternation about how this hire will play out both within the Browns organization, and outside of it as well, as candidates are wondering what the job will ultimately entail. If the whispers about Jackson believing he and Zampese could have it all under control are true, then this becomes a very different job in the end. It's well known that Dorsey is hopeful of bringing in the best game-planner and play-caller he can possibly find, and if he lands McAdoo or Haley, then it's a win for 2018, and possibly beyond.

But it's already beyond ludicrous that Dorsey was forced to keep a coach after an 0-16 season, and it's ridiculous that another rookie quarterback is going to thrust into this backwards scenario next season with his head coach already on the hottest of hot seats in NFL history. But that's The Haslam Way, so no surprises there, I suppose.

And should things go totally sideways – this is Cleveland after all – well, gulp, even in February or March or even April you can find a head coach, and most likely one capable of getting better and not worse off a 1-15 season. Chiefs special teams coach Dave Toub and Eagles defensive coordinator Jim Schwartz got far less head-coaching buzz than I expected, but both would be worthy replacements in a pinch. Eagles offensive coordinator Frank Reich would make sense, too.

A year after we saw three general managers fired after the draft, and a week after we saw Mularkey fired despite a playoff win, would it really be all that crazy by current standards to see a 1-31 coach let go at some point prior to the start of the ensuing season? I suspect it won't happen, but then again, in this league and with this franchise in particular, you never know.

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King Stannis said:

This term brings joy to a tanker's heart.

Wonder if anyone knows why.

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CBBI said:

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...-pickle-keeping-keenum-in-minnesota-and-more/

Bullet points

-Dorsey wants Hue to hire an OC
-Proven OC's like Haley and McAdoo are interested in the job if they get full authority over the offense
-Hue doesn't want to give that up and feels like he and Zampese can ultimately handle the OC role themselves
-Haslam could consider firing Hue if Hue doesn't agree to give up the offense and that may not happen until Feb, March or even April

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The Human Q-Tip said:

That last part is really jusy speculation by others around the league - LaCanfora didn't have any Browns source backup ng that up. He also mentioned what a lot of is have been saying - Hue won't want to hire someone who potentially could replace him.

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Randolphkeys said:

Any article that supports a fictional parallel universe where Hue isn't the head coach is bound to get clicks, and reposts here for a ton of positive feedback.

I don't believe Hue is a great head coach, but he is a pro who wants to be surrounded by better pros. I don't believe he is as petty as people want to believe. If he gained a rapport with other assistants in the past, he can gain a rapport with whomever ends up OC. I'm sure he doesn't want somebody less qualified than himself getting the full authority to run an offense. He wants a collaborative effort. If coaches demand full autonomy, Hue says, "okay, let me know when that changes.". There's only so many jobs available. Eventually one of these guys who got canned will be open to a collaborative situation rather than sitting a season out.

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Randolphkeys said:

Any article that supports a fictional parallel universe where Hue isn't the head coach is bound to get clicks, and reposts here for a ton of positive feedback.

I don't believe Hue is a great head coach, but he is a pro who wants to be surrounded by better pros. I don't believe he is as petty as people want to believe. If he gained a rapport with other assistants in the past, he can gain a rapport with whomever ends up OC. I'm sure he doesn't want somebody less qualified than himself getting the full authority to run an offense. He wants a collaborative effort. If coaches demand full autonomy, Hue says, "okay, let me know when that changes.". There's only so many jobs available. Eventually one of these guys who got canned will be open to a collaborative situation rather than sitting a season out.

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The Human Q-Tip said:

I can't fathom how anyone could possible give him the benefit of the doubt after hearing his explanation for why he didn't hire an offensive cordinator before.

In my opinion, there is no spin possible on that statement that doesn't make Hue a jackass.

Also, the promise of a "collaborative effort" is worthless, because only one of those two guy is the head coach with final authority i thay "collaboration".

The clear sense around the league - at least from all reports - is that it is Dorsey pushing for an OC, not Hue. So anyone coming here as an OC without a promise of play-calling authority knows they are coming to work for anguy who'd orefer he not be there at all.

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