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2018 Cleveland Browns Off Season Thread

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Phills14 said:
Ray Farmer was the worst GM we ever had and that really is saying something. He did very little homework on Justin Gilbert as well.
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It's not just on one guy. Farmer needed to coordinate trades and free agency as well. Plenty of scouts dropped the ball throughout his GM tenure, and they were released from their duties as well. Dorsey has brought together an experienced front office, any one of whom seems to have a better resume than Farmer had going into the Browns gig. I'd take Highsmith, Wolfe, or Caughlin over Farmer, and now they all advise a real GM.

I still agree... Farmer was in charge the years the Browns became an unnecessary five year rebuild. They scrapped nearly everything put into place before, some bad but some young talent as well, and replaced it with garbage.
 
MGMT said:
It truly takes a special kind of stupidity to top the ‘12 draft and clearly Farmer looked in the mirror and said “challenge accepted” on the evening of the ‘14 draft
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I reaaaaally hope a variation of this post with Dorsey and '18 draft isn't posted 4 years from now
 
Los216 said:
As if Joe Flacco has been lighting it up. I wouldn't be surprised if RG III started a few games for them this season and not because of injury...
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Plus, having 2 new WR1/2 to work with (Crabtree/Brown), he needs to find chemistry with them. They are both capable WR's, but his WR corps seems to be garbage once again.
 
Randolphkeys said:
It's not just on one guy. Farmer needed to coordinate trades and free agency as well. Plenty of scouts dropped the ball throughout his GM tenure, and they were released from their duties as well. Dorsey has brought together an experienced front office, any one of whom seems to have a better resume than Farmer had going into the Browns gig. I'd take Highsmith, Wolfe, or Caughlin over Farmer, and now they all advise a real GM.

I still agree... Farmer was in charge the years the Browns became an unnecessary five year rebuild. They scrapped nearly everything put into place before, some bad but some young talent as well, and replaced it with garbage.
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Well, the GM hires the scouts, so if the scouts sucked, it's kind of on him too.
 
Jack Brickman said:
Well, the GM hires the scouts, so if the scouts sucked, it's kind of on him too.
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Hey, at this point nobody is defending Farmer. History isn't kind to his legacy, nor should it be. I was done with his vision within one year. The Browns scouting department, however, had many carry overs from as far back as the 1999 franchise reboot, and several added along the way with Davis, Mangini, etc. I was only adding that part because Browns fans often focus all responsibility on the GM in place at the time, when it really is an entire office of contributors.
 
selby56 said:
I'm not sure who I'm more mad at. Johnny for being a dick and not owning up to his failure, or my favorite team for being dumb enough to take him.
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Definitely the decision makers at the Browns. Johnny was who he was, and didn't really make an effort to hide it; in fact, he broadcast* it and relished in it. This simply confirms our ineptitude at that time, from the owner down. I would like to think it helped Haslam change to be more hands off, but wow, that was an awful decision.

* Yes, broadcast is a verb, and Dictionary.com says either broadcast or broadcasted is acceptable as the simple past and past participle.
 
AZ_ said:
The Browns inability to recognize the obvious red flags makes them wrong.

Manziel is in the wrong because he’s just an utterly terrible person and player for the NFL game.
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"They should have known I was incapable of personal growth as a professional and a person!" This is basically what he said.
 
natedagg said:
Definitely the decision makers at the Browns. Johnny was who he was, and didn't really make an effort to hide it; in fact, he broadcast* it and relished in it. This simply confirms our ineptitude at that time, from the owner down. I would like to think it helped Haslam change to be more hands off, but wow, that was an awful decision.

* Yes, broadcast is a verb, and Dictionary.com says either broadcast or broadcasted is acceptable as the simple past and past participle.
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I firmly believe Haslam played a very huge role in selecting Mr Football despite his scouts telling him otherwise. I hope he has learned from his very public mistake that led to embarrassment and ridicule.

That being said, JFF is a buffoon; always was and always will be. He's coming clean on some things and taking SOME responsibility but his words are hollow because he seems to be passing the buck. Ultimately, he washed out of the league not because the Cleveland Browns, Ray Farmer, Jimmy Haslam, Brian Hoyer, Mike Pettine, Josh Gordon or anyone else. He washed out of the league because he didn't work hard enough, wasn't big enough and didn't have enough talent to make it.
 
macbdog said:
"They should have known I was incapable of personal growth as a professional and a person!" This is basically what he said.
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Great point. I remember pre-draft reports stating that he didn't spend a lot of time in the film room - in part because the offense in which he played made it less necessary for success. But it also was widely acknowledged he'd have to put in more work Monday-Saturday than he was used to.

In other words, this was not a "secret" the Browns didn't know because they didn't do their homework. The obvious answer is that Manziel talked his way through it and, probably convincingly, said he'd put in the extra work. In other words, he lied.

It was still a bad pick, but this is Manziel essentially blaming the Browns for believing him when he lied. As if pointing the finger elsewhere somehow makes him less responsible for his own failure.
 
AZ_ said:
Relax.

This is the Browns putting the notice out there.

Similar to McCourtey. If nobody bites, it costs you nothing.
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Notice out there? Every single person knows we will be cutting him. Now, sure, if a team wants him as a #3 QB, they may float us a conditional 7th to make sure they get him.

Either way, it's not as if this needed put out there.

This is Hogan seeing that he doesn't have a chance to make this roster and requesting out.
 
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