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Rodney Hood: Won't be missed

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cavsfan1985 said:
I don’t get all the low offers for Hood. Had he stayed in Utah and finished averaging close to 16ppg, I bet he is looking at 14/15 a year maybe more. He is not a spot up shooter stay in the corner player. He needs to be moving and have plays run for him. I could see him putting up 18ppg next year as our starting sg. I think something in the 10/12 a year is a good deal for both sides.
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“Averaging 16 ppg” or “putting up 18 ppg” doesnt really mean anything. What matters is the offensive and defensive efficiency of a player.

First of all, we have to ask ourselves why Utah was so eager to get rid of him. 6’8” wing with a good looking stroke in an era when teams have learned the value of wings...he should be coveted, right? The answer to that question is that he was an incredibly shitty player for Utah. The idea that he fell off of a cliff once he got here isn’t true at all; he had already fallen off a cliff. Actually, he never even was on a cliff to fall off of.

1. He was 99th of 108 SGs in RPM at -4.23. He was about -4 in Utah. While he showed incredible displays of sucking here, he was terrible in Utah as well.

2. In 1,083 minutes WITH Hood on court, Utah’s offense had an ORtg of 105.8. In the 2668 minutes Hood was off court, Utah had a robust 109.9 ORtg.

Then the defense. Here’s the real sticker.

In 1,083 minutes WITH Hood, the Jazz’s DRtg was 109.8, which is a shit tier defense. These minutes included Gobert minutes.

In the 2668 minutes WITHOUT Hood, Utah’s defense was a league best 101.9 DRtg.

Here’s his individual defense in Utah: https://stats.nba.com/player/203918/defense-dash/?Season=2017-18&SeasonType=Regular Season&DateTo=02/08/2018&DateFrom=10/01/2017

252 NBA players defended 4.5 two-pointers per game; Hood was the EIGHTH WORST in the NBA allowing 57.6% poor contests, giving up blow bys, no resistance inside even though he’s 6’8” and has length.

3. I’ve seen people write about “Hood had no coaching here” and “all he did was watch LeBron pound the ball” or whatever, but with a great coaching staff and a great defense and “a system” around him in Utah, his shitty individual and team defense made even the NBA’s best defense a piece of shit.

WITH HOOD, UTAH was a -4.0 NET team, equivalent to a 26-30 win team (the Knicks were a -3.7 team for instance this year)

WITHOUT HOOD, UTAH was a +8.0 NET team, historically equivalent to a 59-65 win team (Houston was +8.6 this year, the Raps +7.9, GSW +5.9)

You could also go into his individual play types on NBA.com (ISO offense and defense, spot up defense, prick and roll defense, but it’s all a mess.

4. I think there’s ZERO chance any GM would shave given this guy $15/$16 million even before he completely and utterly sucked in these playoffs WHICH he did previously last year as well.

He’s so bad on defense they he would have to become an elite offensive player just to be a neutral player.
 
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priceFTW said:
“Averaging 16 ppg” or “putting up 18 ppg” doesnt really mean anything. What matters is the offensive and defensive efficiency of a player.

First of all, we have to ask ourselves why Utah was so eager to get rid of him. 6’8” wing with a good looking stroke in an era when teams have learned the value of wings...he should be coveted, right? The answer to that question is that he was an incredibly shitty player for Utah. The idea that he fell off of a cliff once he got here isn’t true at all; he had already fallen off a cliff. Actually, he never even was on a cliff to fall off of.

1. He was 99th of 108 SGs in RPM at -4.23. He was about -4 in Utah. While he showed incredible displays of sucking here, he was terrible in Utah as well.

2. In 1,083 minutes WITH Hood on court, Utah’s offense had an ORtg of 105.8. In the 2668 minutes Hood was off court, Utah had a robust 109.9 ORtg.

Then the defense. Here’s the real sticker.

In 1,083 minutes WITH Hood, the Jazz’s DRtg was 109.8, which is a shit tier defense. These minutes included Gobert minutes.

In the 2668 minutes WITHOUT Hood, Utah’s defense was a league best 101.9 DRtg.

Here’s his individual defense in Utah: https://stats.nba.com/player/203918/defense-dash/?Season=2017-18&SeasonType=Regular Season&DateTo=02/08/2018&DateFrom=10/01/2017

252 NBA players defended 4.5 two-pointers per game; Hood was the EIGHTH WORST in the NBA allowing 57.6% poor contests, giving up blow bys, no resistance inside even though he’s 6’8” and has length.

3. I’ve seen people write about “Hood had no coaching here” and “all he did was watch LeBron Linda the ball” or whatever, but with a great coaching staff and a great defense and “a system” around him in Utah, his shitty individual and team defense made even the NBA’s best defense a piece of shit.

WITH HOOD, UTAH was a -4.0 NET team, equivalent to a 26-30 win team (the Knicks were a -3.7 team for instance this year)

WITHOUT HOOD, UTAH was a +8.0 NET team, historically equivalent to a 59-65 win team (Houston was +8.6 this year, the Raps +7.9, GSW +5.9)

You could also go into his individual play types on NBA.com (ISO offense and defense, spot up defense, prick and roll defense, but it’s all a mess.

4. I think there’s ZERO chance any GM would shave given this guy $15/$16 million even before he completely and utterly sucked in these playoffs WHICH he did previously last year as well.

He’s so bad on defense they he would have to become an elite offensive
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Ok, this shit says Hood should pay us to have the privilege to shower with Cedi. Just dropped off the Hood train.
 
Yeah, I'm still in the "keep him, but don't overpay" line. there's no way he's getting one of those JR/TT contracts with his demonstrated performance thus far. the 3/24, 2/12 type contracts sound about right.
 
Dr. Claw said:
Yeah, I'm still in the "keep him, but don't overpay" line. there's no way he's getting one of those JR/TT contracts with his demonstrated performance thus far. the 3/24, 2/12 type contracts sound about right.
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I guess if our goal is to lose games and be in the lotto.
 
priceFTW said:
“Averaging 16 ppg” or “putting up 18 ppg” doesnt really mean anything. What matters is the offensive and defensive efficiency of a player.

First of all, we have to ask ourselves why Utah was so eager to get rid of him. 6’8” wing with a good looking stroke in an era when teams have learned the value of wings...he should be coveted, right? The answer to that question is that he was an incredibly shitty player for Utah. The idea that he fell off of a cliff once he got here isn’t true at all; he had already fallen off a cliff. Actually, he never even was on a cliff to fall off of.

1. He was 99th of 108 SGs in RPM at -4.23. He was about -4 in Utah. While he showed incredible displays of sucking here, he was terrible in Utah as well.

2. In 1,083 minutes WITH Hood on court, Utah’s offense had an ORtg of 105.8. In the 2668 minutes Hood was off court, Utah had a robust 109.9 ORtg.

Then the defense. Here’s the real sticker.

In 1,083 minutes WITH Hood, the Jazz’s DRtg was 109.8, which is a shit tier defense. These minutes included Gobert minutes.

In the 2668 minutes WITHOUT Hood, Utah’s defense was a league best 101.9 DRtg.

Here’s his individual defense in Utah: https://stats.nba.com/player/203918/defense-dash/?Season=2017-18&SeasonType=Regular Season&DateTo=02/08/2018&DateFrom=10/01/2017

252 NBA players defended 4.5 two-pointers per game; Hood was the EIGHTH WORST in the NBA allowing 57.6% poor contests, giving up blow bys, no resistance inside even though he’s 6’8” and has length.

3. I’ve seen people write about “Hood had no coaching here” and “all he did was watch LeBron pound the ball” or whatever, but with a great coaching staff and a great defense and “a system” around him in Utah, his shitty individual and team defense made even the NBA’s best defense a piece of shit.

WITH HOOD, UTAH was a -4.0 NET team, equivalent to a 26-30 win team (the Knicks were a -3.7 team for instance this year)

WITHOUT HOOD, UTAH was a +8.0 NET team, historically equivalent to a 59-65 win team (Houston was +8.6 this year, the Raps +7.9, GSW +5.9)

You could also go into his individual play types on NBA.com (ISO offense and defense, spot up defense, prick and roll defense, but it’s all a mess.

4. I think there’s ZERO chance any GM would shave given this guy $15/$16 million even before he completely and utterly sucked in these playoffs WHICH he did previously last year as well.

He’s so bad on defense they he would have to become an elite offensive player just to be a neutral player.
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@priceFTW bringing the pain!

That's one of the most thorough, convincing beatdowns of a player I've ever seen. And you'd hope that an analytics driven guy like Koby would be generally aware of that kind of information.
 
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The Human Q-Tip said:
@priceFTW bringing the pain!

That's one of the most thorough, convincing beatdowns of a player I've ever seen. And you'd hope that an analytics driven guy like Koby would be generally aware of that kind of information.
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Let’s take it a step further and leave nothing to chance: how do we get this info in Altman’s hands? How do we get @priceFTW a job w the Cavs? How do we get Dan to replace Altman with @priceFTW once we do?

These are the questions we should be asking.
 
The picture's slightly more complicated if you consider his career as a whole...he had a genuinely solid rookie year (albeit at 22 years old), and as a sophomore looked like he was on track to be a top-10 SG for a long time. After that things turned sharply downhill (well before he ever set foot in Cleveland).

On one hand, it's probably true that a guy like Hood who was once an above-average player at his position has a better chance to return to that level than a guy who's been sub-replacement level for his entire career. On the other hand, it's going to take a lot of hard work and dedication on his part to make that happen, and he's not exactly the poster boy for hard work and dedication.
 
The Human Q-Tip said:
@priceFTW bringing the pain!

That's one of the most thorough, convincing beatdowns of a player I've ever seen. And you'd hope that an analytics driven guy like Koby would be generally aware of that kind of information.
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How do you know that Koby is analytics driven?

I didn't get this impression by his acquisitions bar Nance.(And Crowder, but he was traded).
 
Sir'Dom Pointer said:
How do you know that Koby is analytics driven?

I didn't get this impression by his acquisitions bar Nance.(And Crowder, but he was traded).
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Because if he's smart, analytics are not his ONLY decision framework.

They should be an important part of it, but by no means should such things have the final say.
 
Yeah, acquiring Rose, Wade, Green and Crowder with the idea of playing them together was very smart non analytic driven idea. Worked out real well. Their egos also didn't clash which really helped the locker room.

Our mid season acquisitions like Hood and Clarkson also proved to be a major hit, especially in the playoffs.

Real talk, only Nance proved to be a good contributor and he was too small of a factor because of very limited playing time. We can argue that the only thing that matters is analytics. His approach to surround Lebron with athleticism failed miserably.
 
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Sir'Dom Pointer said:
How do you know that Koby is analytics driven?

I didn't get this impression by his acquisitions bar Nance.(And Crowder, but he was traded).
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Well, he specifically referred to Crowder as an "analytics marvel" in his introductory press conference, so we know he's at least aware of it.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.th...h-thomas-cleveland-cavaliers-press-conference

Clarkson and Hood are not good players analytically, but they each were included in a trade package that included a guy who is/was - Nance and Hill, respectively.

Also should probably point out that he's got a "Director of Analytics" - Jon Nichols - on staff, so presumably that guy is feeding him similar information.
 
I just don't know what it's going to take for people to figure out that Koby Altman might be a bad GM

I'm hoping its learning experience/growing pains but it's looked pretty bad so far
 
The Human Q-Tip said:
Well, he specifically referred to Crowder as an "analytics marvel" in his introductory press conference, so we know he's at least aware of it.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.th...h-thomas-cleveland-cavaliers-press-conference

Clarkson and Hood are not good players analytically, but they each were included in a trade package that included a guy who is/was - Nance and Hill, respectively.
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Hill has fallen off a cliff in that aspect in Sac, so maybe he thought he would bounce back.

You gotta remember that you have to look at analytics from a full team and lineup combination perspective. You can't look at them soley on an individual level, and even then they pretty much sucked at that point in their career...and their combination was even worse.

Wade, Clarkson,Hood, Green, Rose were never gonna work with Lebron or playing together in any sort of lineup. Out of this group(Wade was pretty helpful with our bench lineup that had good spacing and defense), onlyGreen somewhat fit with our core group, and even he was just barely better than a replacement level player and by no means should have played as much as he did.

I'll say that i'm somewhat encouraged by Koby's eye for young talent. I like Zizic and Cedi, and I'm warming up to Sexton. But even that is super early, and Sexton could prove to be nothing more than an average starter or worse.

So while i'm encouraged (so far) by this, I think he has done a bad job doing his other GM duties. Let's see how he handles his contract negotiations.
 
cavsfever said:
I just don't know what it's going to take for people to figure out that Koby Altman might be a bad GM

I'm hoping its learning experience/growing pains but it's looked pretty bad so far
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Well, I figure it will take something more than 1) putting together a team that should have taken Game 1 from the greatest team in history if it wasn't robbed, while simultaneously 2) leaving us in a much better rebuilding posture than we were the last time LeBron ditched us.

I personally think he's done a better job than anyone else we've had during the LeBron era.
 
The Human Q-Tip said:
Well, he specifically referred to Crowder as an "analytics marvel" in his introductory press conference, so we know he's at least aware of it.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.th...h-thomas-cleveland-cavaliers-press-conference

Clarkson and Hood are not good players analytically, but they each were included in a trade package that included a guy who is/was - Nance and Hill, respectively.

Also should probably point out that he's got a "Director of Analytics" - Jon Nichols - on staff, so presumably that guy is feeding him similar information.
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It's always the armchair wanna-be GMs who shit on decisions...as if Koby had his pick of every player in the NBA, but decided to choose these players for some reason.

NBA2K rationale at its finest.
 
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