Rodney Hood: Won't be missed

[Nathan S]

They look the same to me.

How they "look" is a totally different thing. Maybe Hood's the victim of some strange curse and magically shrinks 3 inches when he steps on a basketball court. That's what it looks like to me

 

[iamacavalier]

He has skills and he has problems. Is he a key part of a championship team, or is he a liability. In our case he could not help us..

He represents a lot of IF.. and that's the rub. To reach elite, he needs to get stronger and tougher, and neither of those is a next year thing. If you sign him it's a risk proposition. To win you need home locked up, but dont expect an overnight. Also, if there is any suspicion about his commitment, which is exactly the concern over his bonehead move last year, and I think was a concern in Portland, then the risk is higher..

Given he has no offer, I think you put 3/21 on the table, last year partially guaranteed like JRs contract. You front load it, so it is more cap freindly at the end. That means he gets 8 million instead of 3.6 which is the QO. I think he signs it. He's the kind of player that gets hurt, and a knee injury or back injury would end him. Smart move is to take the money, work on strength and playing more physical ball. If he survives the three years he gets paid.. if he doesn't he is still set for life..

Elite? Who said anything about elite? If he was elite we would be talking 20-30 million. Instead he is right in the middle. A sold NBA player who still has potential to grow. Which to me is worth around 10 million.

Yeah, Hood is not better than all of them lol.

Covington is infinitely better, Josh Richardson is better, Roberson is better, Crabbe is better, Green is better, CJ Miles is even better at his point, Moore is better...

Rodney Hood's BPM is deep in the minus and hasn't shown any real impact other than putting scoring numbers in Utah.

All of those guys other than Covington were signed during the cap explosion, so you are comparing apples to oranges here.

I would say that 7-8M is for 3 years is fair. And even then, I would try to sign him just to trade him.

Hood is not better than all if them but he is in the middle of them. He is also younger than almost all those guys.

As far as the cap explosion it's likely going to have happen again next year.

 

[priceFTW]

Skinny dudes that are/were apathetic on the defensive end.

Reggie Miller, Andrew Wiggins and Fournier come to mind.

Yup, most of them were skinny. Only 5 players in NBA history have ever played 10,000+ minutes, started 300+ games, were/are 6’8+, and had a Total Rebounding % LESS than or equal to 7%. They’re all skinny guys except for one.

6. Stephen Jackson, 7%; not a real plus defender but was decent in more than a few years. Decently athletic when younger.

5. Corey Brewer, 6.8%; has some strong early years defensively before he became a liability

4. Jalen Rose, 6.7%; never really a plus defender but had some passable early years. Not very athletic.

3. Andrew Wiggins, 6.7%; incredibly athletic, but doesn’t give a fuck on defense and gets lost on team defense, rotations, etc. Might have been a decent/good ‘90s defender when you could guard one player in ISO (best part of his defense but least helpful in today’s game)

2. Kiki Vandeweghe, 6.1%; didn’t really have the physical tools to play nor did he try to. Going a gene without being completely roasted was a good day for him. That stroke was pure as hell, though.

1. Dennis Scott, 5.6%; physical exception to @Sir'Dom Pointer ’s post. The guy was fat, slow, didn’t give a fuck on defense, but sure could shoot the hell out of the ball. Made 13 threes in the final three games against the ‘95 Bulls to help eliminate Jordan.

Of you go down to 6’7, Reggie Miller was probably the worst rebounder ever with a career 5.1% TRB%.

You can also add DeRozan, Dale Ellis, Korver, Joe Johnson, KMart, Steve Smith, and Klay “A Man’s League”Thompson.

 

[Mr. MacPhisto]

They didn't hide it very well. Read PriceFTW's post.

Mitchell is on a different level as a defender than Hood despite being 5 inches shorter.

Also, he is not a good scorer. His efficiency is below average because he doesn't get to the line. He is a volume scorer, and not a particularly good one.

He is not good enough to be worth it for us to hide him lol. Lou a Williams got 8m per for 3 years and in his previous contract that he got 7m for 3 years. Why should Hood get more than that when he is a significantly worse offensive player? Again, cause he is 6'8?

Hood should get 5m based on production. I'll add a million for age.

You clearly have no idea how the NBA works.

Firstly, Hood is taller for the wing position so that and his age do make him a bit more valuable than Williams.

You pulled that $5M out of nowhere with no reference to where you got it from or how you arrived at that point while treating height like an issue that doesn't matter in the NBA. Lou Williams would make A LOT more money if he was taller, I think we can agree.

As I said, Hood is far from horrific. Williams is significantly OLDER than Hood, so why you decided to compare the two I do not know.


Williams is a worse defender than Hood and Hood can defend more positions than Williams can. He may not be able to do it well, but neither can Williams.


So Hood is a better overall shooter than Williams, a better rebounder, better with ball distribution, better with blocks, and better with steals. Williams takes care of the ball a bit better. Williams takes slightly more free throws, but it's close.

Williams gets $8M while Hood is younger, taller, and better in many categories than Williams and Hood is worth only $5M? Seriously?

$8-11M per. I'd prefer it be closer to 8, but 5 is ridiculous and shows you have no clue. A player like Hood is not getting $5M per year or even $6M, not at his age. If he were 30, sure. At 26 he is not close to the downward curve. He is what he is and that's not great but it's far from horrific or worth only $5M in the current NBA.

Is he a stud? Far from it. Can he be a positive in some way? Sure. Can he put up good numbers on a mediocre team? Possibly. And that could also get some trade offers down the line.

If the Cavs don't value him, I get that. I'm sure Hood way overvalues himself. Maybe he'll bet on himself and take the QO. I'm not opposed to offering 3/24. But $6M a year would be ridiculous.

 

[avs2000]

You clearly have no idea how the NBA works.

Firstly, Hood is taller for the wing position so that and his age do make him a bit more valuable than Williams.

You pulled that $5M out of nowhere with no reference to where you got it from or how you arrived at that point while treating height like an issue that doesn't matter in the NBA. Lou Williams would make A LOT more money if he was taller, I think we can agree.

As I said, Hood is far from horrific. Williams is significantly OLDER than Hood, so why you decided to compare the two I do not know.


Williams is a worse defender than Hood and Hood can defend more positions than Williams can. He may not be able to do it well, but neither can Williams.


So Hood is a better overall shooter than Williams, a better rebounder, better with ball distribution, better with blocks, and better with steals. Williams takes care of the ball a bit better. Williams takes slightly more free throws, but it's close.

Williams gets $8M while Hood is younger, taller, and better in many categories than Williams and Hood is worth only $5M? Seriously?

$8-11M per. I'd prefer it be closer to 8, but 5 is ridiculous and shows you have no clue. A player like Hood is not getting $5M per year or even $6M, not at his age. If he were 30, sure. At 26 he is not close to the downward curve. He is what he is and that's not great but it's far from horrific or worth only $5M in the current NBA.

Is he a stud? Far from it. Can he be a positive in some way? Sure. Can he put up good numbers on a mediocre team? Possibly. And that could also get some trade offers down the line.

If the Cavs don't value him, I get that. I'm sure Hood way overvalues himself. Maybe he'll bet on himself and take the QO. I'm not opposed to offering 3/24. But $6M a year would be ridiculous.

No one has offered Hood. So we are negotiating with our selves. If takes the qo it would suck Why waste time with him if he is gone next year. 8-9 million Three years. 10-11 million 3 years with club option on third year. He would be crazy to pass up 24- 27 million up imo

 

[Sir'Dom Pointer]

You clearly have no idea how the NBA works.

Clearly. I'm clueless about the NBA...please teach me.

Firstly, Hood is taller for the wing position so that and his age do make him a bit more valuable than Williams.

I know that he is taller and I know that he younger. Both of those things don't make a better player.

Williams got 7M a year 3 years ago when he was 28. You think Hood is going to surpass Williams offensive production during this 3 year time span? That's what matters.

You pulled that $5M out of nowhere with no reference to where you got it from or how you arrived at that point

I was being generous with the 5M-6M that I pulled. He should get what late 1st round picks get. That's what his production and impact equate to.

He was one of the worst SGs in the league last season, far cry from being average. He played like a G-League level player...I'd rather take a flier on an undrafted/G-League player than give Hood 11M a year.

while treating height like an issue that doesn't matter in the NBA.

Who said height doesn't matter? I'm one of the biggest advocates for lengthy multipositional players.

IT DOESN'T MATTER WHEN A PLAYER DOESNT USE HIS HEIGHT AND SIZE to make it count on the stat sheet or on the court. Who cares if he is taller if he can't guard multiple positions? who cares if he is taller if he can't rebound? Who cares if he is taller if he doesn't block shots? who cares if he is taller if he doesn't attack the rim? who cares if he is taller if he doesn't use his size to draw fouls? who cares if he is taller if he doesn't contests shots well from any particular area on the court?

Wow, he can shoot over people from the perimter, big fucking whoo.

Lou Williams would make A LOT more money if he was taller, I think we can agree.

Yeah, he would be a perennial all-star player. Much better than this scrub, loser Hood.

Way to make a point.

As I said, Hood is far from horrific. Williams is significantly OLDER than Hood, so why you decided to compare the two I do not know.

Hood is bad.

Both of them are scorers that play little defense.

Williams offensive production outweigh his defensive lack of production. Meaning, His BPM is positive

Hood's defensive production outweigh his offensive production.
Meaning, His BPM is negative.

This applies to RPM as well;

Williams is a net poisitive player, while Hood is an overwhelming net negative player.

Williams is a worse defender than Hood and Hood can defend more positions than Williams can. He may not be able to do it well, but neither can Williams.

Okay, and? they both suck on that end. The difference is negliable.

Hood has a higher defensive ceiling that Williams, yeah. Currently? he isn't that much better.

Players when guarded by Hood:

Shoot 4.7% better from 3 Pointer
6.8% better from 2 Pointer
9.5% better from less than 10FT
7.5% better from less than 6 FT.
4% better from greater than 15FT

Overall player shoot 5.8% better against Hood.

Players when guarded by Williams:

Shoot -1.5% worse from 3 Pointer
Shoot 3.4% better from 2 Pointer
Shoot 11% better from less than 10FT
Shoot 11.6% better from less than 6FT
Shoot 0% better from greater than 15FT

Overall players shoot 0% better against Williams.

Williams is 6'1 so while 11.6% is very bad, it's still somewhat understandable. How do you explain Hood's terrible DFG% inside the arc? SOFT.

How do you explian Hood's terrible DFG% from 3? Apathetic. It's embrassing that Lou has much better DFG% from 3...Williams doesn't give a shit on that end and has a tendency to forget about his assignments off the ball, and yet what do you know...

Even his DRPM is better than Hood's which I can understand because we were a worse defensive team. But still, -3.71 DRPM is laughable for such a tall wing. And in contrast to Williams who has 4.2 ORPM, Hood's ORPM is also in the negative.

So Hood is a better overall shooter than Williams, a better rebounder, better with ball distribution, better with blocks, and better with steals. Williams takes care of the ball a bit better. Williams takes slightly more free throws, but it's close.

Better overall shooter ? You mean his FG% is higher? damn...didn't know that we were back in the 90s.

Hood is a signicantly worse scorer as far as efficiency goes because he doesn't get to the line.

Barely a better rebounder while being 6'8. Lol.

BETTER WITH BALL DISTRIBUTION? Now, I know you are really tripping.

Lou Williams is very,very good passer and he has the assist numbers to back it up. How did you come up with that lol? At least look at their stats before you try to make a point and tell me that I don't know shit about the NBA man.

His playmaking is also one of the reasons why his OBPM is that much higher.

Again, look at the stats before you go on a limb;

Lou Williams career avg in steals is 1.3

-Hood's is 1.0.

Lou Williams career avg in blocks is 0.3

-Hood's is 0.3 as well. And he is 6'8 for gods sakes.

Opposite to what you said, Williams turns the ball over more, but has a better AST to TO ratio.

And the difference in FTA is not small like you say it is. At his peak Williams shot 8.8 FTA per 36. Last year he shot 6.8.

-The highest Rodney shot was 3.2 Per 36. Last year he shot 2.2.

The difference between them in that regard is astronomical.

Literally everything you said in this paragraph other than Hood being a slightly better overall rebounder is wrong.

Williams gets $8M while Hood is younger, taller, and better in many categories than Williams and Hood is worth only $5M? Seriously?

I just showed you that he isn't. Lou beats him comfortably in those little catergories that you think matter.

Both of those guys roles is to score the ball. That's what matters regardless.

Williams OBPM is much much higher, His TS% is higher and other than being a scorer, he creates an additional 8-12 points every game for his teammates.

Again, like I said, the whole argument for paying Hood is him being 6'8 and younger. Who cares though if he can't even reach the same level of production as Lou during the span of the contract? His age doesn't even matter unless he reaches that level or higher.

$8-11M per. I'd prefer it be closer to 8, but 5 is ridiculous and shows you have no clue. A player like Hood is not getting $5M per year or even $6M, not at his age. If he were 30, sure. At 26 he is not close to the downward curve. He is what he is and that's not great but it's far from horrific or worth only $5M in the current NBA.

Yeah, it shows I have no clue, and yet you make this ridiculous post.

Where are those offers to Hood ah? Did he even get an offer from any other team? His value is determiend by the market and by where the Cavs stand as a team.

Contending vs rebuilding changes a lot of things. This is why we signed JR, TT and Shump to those contracts.

I would have had a different view if we were this short on the wings and were still contenders; a QO would have been much more appealing to the Cavs and myself for a bunch of different reasons.

Since the Cavs are a rebuilding team or a fringe playoffs team at best, we have literally no pressure to sign him to an offer unless it is to a contract that makes him 100% a positive asset.

Hood shouldn't have a long future on this team regardless.

Is he a stud? Far from it. Can he be a positive in some way? Sure. Can he put up good numbers on a mediocre team? Possibly. And that could also get some trade offers down the line.

What's a positive to you? CJ Miles is a positive, Wayne Ellington is a positive, Joe Harris is a positive...All of those guys are better than Hood.

Hood is currently a net negative role player, okay? The only reason we should look to sign him is because we traded a good asset for him, and therefore you should only look to sign him to a contract that positively makes him a future asset regardless of how much he plays or whether he plays well or not.

This brings me to another point; There is going to be a lot of competition on the wings, so it really depends on how much you value the other players development. If he plays more than he deserves just to showcase him, then it has some consecquences as far as the other players are concerned.

If the Cavs don't value him, I get that. I'm sure Hood way overvalues himself. Maybe he'll bet on himself and take the QO. I'm not opposed to offering 3/24. But $6M a year would be ridiculous.

You are taking this 6M figure too literally. I had suggested 7-8M before...I don't value him to the team as a 8M player, so it's a risk between losing an asset for nothing or adding another net negative asset to the team.

 

[Cavatt]

Wow really worried with the thread title change that he just got 12M or something horrible like that.

Hood's head being taller does little for good game . His length is poor and his hands are small

 

[Sir'Dom Pointer]

Wow really worried with the thread title change that he just got 12M or something horrible like that.

Hood's head being taller does little for good game . His length is poor and his hands are small

I bet it's @PIP

He is messing with us all. I hope so lol.

 

[PIP]

I bet it's @PIP

He is messing with us all. I hope so lol.

Can’t take credit for this one....

 

[Sir'Dom Pointer]

Can’t take credit for this one....

Then we are fucked.

 

[Ohio]

It wasn't me either. I might add "ski mask" into it somewhere though

@The Wizard of Moz

 

[BodegaBayCav]

View: https://twitter.com/Schultz_Report/status/1023993111419207683

 

[Sir'Dom Pointer]

View: https://twitter.com/Schultz_Report/status/1023993111419207683

He wants to eat the cake and have it too. Like sign a 12m per 1-2 year deal and then leave.

Doesn't seam to me like he is ready to give up the money by taking the QO, yet.

I like what i'm hearing..play hard ball with this fellow. Though, I consider him taking the QO a loss for the Cavs.

I wonder what he considers a fair offer.

 

[JMoneyYourHoney]

He wants to eat the cake and have it too.

 

[Sir'Dom Pointer]

Is there really a difference between have the cake and eat it too to my version?

The result is the same.

My idiom will stick.

Wait, is that what you meant by the gif?