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They need to sit Kluber for the rest of the regular season... The dude has run out of gas the last 2 postseasons and our playoff seeding has been a given for weeks/months. Lets rest him and prepare for the "real" season.
 
Deezus said:
They need to sit Kluber for the rest of the regular season... The dude has run out of gas the last 2 postseasons and our playoff seeding has been a given for weeks/months. Lets rest him and prepare for the "real" season.
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Yeah, definitely make sure he hasn’t pitched at all in the last month.

He’ll be real sharp.
 
Deezus said:
They need to sit Kluber for the rest of the regular season... The dude has run out of gas the last 2 postseasons and our playoff seeding has been a given for weeks/months. Lets rest him and prepare for the "real" season.
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That’s not how you do it. Like today is how you do it. Let him go 100 or so pitches and pull him. He’s the first in to 18 wins and has a legit chance at 20 wins. Surprisingly, he’s never hit 20, which is insane.
 
JDailey23 said:
That’s not how you do it. Like today is how you do it. Let him go 100 or so pitches and pull him. He’s the first in to 18 wins and has a legit chance at 20 wins. Surprisingly, he’s never hit 20, which is insane.
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The sad thing is that Sale has already won the Cy Young, in voters' minds.
 
Imagine how damn dominant this lineup is going to be if we have Josh Donaldson at peak Josh Donaldson form...

All stats with still almost a month to go, please remember (BA/OBP/OPS):

SS - Francisco Lindor: .285/.361/.887, 31 HR, 80 RBI, 40 2B, 114 R (MLB leader), 22 SB, 7.1 WAR
LF - Michael Brantley: .304/.357/.822, 14 HR, 70 RBI, 34 2B, 76 R, 10 SB, 2.3 WAR
2B - Jose Ramirez: .287/.402/.992, 37 HR, 96 RBI, 34 2B, 95 R, 29 SB, 7.9 WAR
3B - Josh Donaldson: .285/.387/.946, 37 HR, 100 RBI, 31 2B, 103 R, 5 SB, 7.0 WAR (averages over his past three seasons)
DH - Edwin Encarnacion: .231/.320/.791, 29 HR, 93 RBI, 15 2B, 63 R, 3 SB, 1.0 WAR
1B - Yonder Alonso: .244/.310/.742, 22 HR, 76 RBI, 18 2B, 56 R, 1.2 WAR
RF - Melky Cabrera: .282/.332/.773, 6 HR, 32 RBI, 12 2B, 23 R, 0.2 WAR

I don't care who you are, that is a rough top-7 to get through if you're a right handed starter. Throw in guys like Yan Gomes (.255/.305/.728, 12 HR) as a good hitting and defensive catcher, Yandy Diaz (.333/.364/.840 in 66 PA) as a huge wild card contributor, Brandon Guyer (.825 OPS vs. LHP), and Jason Kipnis (14 HR, .687 OPS), and you've got one of the most lethal offenses in baseball.

Defense would be suspect, but with our great starting pitching and hopefully a healthy Miller & Hand anchoring the back end, I can't see that being a huge problem.
 
JMoneyYourHoney said:
The sad thing is that Sale has already won the Cy Young, in voters' minds.
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There's almost no chance Sale wins it. He might not even get to 160 innings pitched this season and is still on the DL after returning from the DL in august to make exactly 1 start before heading back to the DL

As of right now I think Kluber is the front runner for Cy Young. I could see him not winning it, but I would be literally stunned if it was Sale short of him coming back from the DL and making 4 more outstanding starts. But it sounds like they're going to be really cautious with him
 
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The Wizard of Moz said:
There's almost no chance Sale wins it. He might not even get to 160 innings pitched this season and is still on the DL after returning from the AL in august to make exactly 1 start before heading back to the DL

As of right now I think Kluber is the front runner for Cy Young. I could see him not winning it, but I would be literally stunned if it was Sale
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Disagree entirely. Sale's stats are so ridiculous plus there's the "overdue" narrative that I think voters feel they have to give it to him, W/L and IP be damned. Just like momentum for deGrom over Scherzer despite the former possibly not even getting to double digit wins, I think we see new precedents set in each race this year.

Really want to see Kluber get his 3rd but I don't think he has a chance this year.
 
JMoneyYourHoney said:
Disagree entirely. Sale's stats are so ridiculous plus there's the "overdue" narrative that I think voters feel they have to give it to him, W/L and IP be damned. Just like momentum for deGrom over Scherzer despite the former possibly not even getting to double digit wins, I think we see new precedents set in each race this year.
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I don't think W/L is as big of a deal as innings pitched and games started. Sale will miss 6-8 starts this year depending on when he comes back. That's a huge chunk of time to miss in a season to overcome.

Sale has excellent numbers this season, but Verlander had even better numbers before the wheels started to fall off over the long season. I think durability is still important to voters, but I could be wrong. Kluber having a few more outings like today I think would make it really difficult to not give him the award. I don't think there's a runaway this year though, all candidates have some red marks on their resumes.
 
Here's how I'd vote if the MLB would wise up and give me a vote already:

1) Kluber
2) Cole
3) Sale
4) Bauer
5) Verlander

1) Scherzer
2) deGrom
3) literally doesn't matter after those first two

FWIW, ESPN has a CyPredictor that is actually pretty accurate most years. It currently has Kluber and Scherzer winning (Sale coming in 4th if you take out the relievers).

Also, Edwin Diaz for Seattle has been absolutely amazing this season as their closer. He won't win Cy Young, but holy shit: 52 SV, 1.90 ERA, 0.78 WHIP, 115 K in 66.1 IP.

In an era where closers aren't that important anymore, it's really cool to see a guy like Diaz just flat out dominate the position.
 
JMoneyYourHoney said:
Disagree entirely. Sale's stats are so ridiculous plus there's the "overdue" narrative that I think voters feel they have to give it to him, W/L and IP be damned. Just like momentum for deGrom over Scherzer despite the former possibly not even getting to double digit wins, I think we see new precedents set in each race this year.

Really want to see Kluber get his 3rd but I don't think he has a chance this year.
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I get the argument why wins may not matter for cy Young. You play on a very shitty team, and cant carry them to win every single game. However if you are a starter trying to make a good case for Cy Young, you bet your god damn ass IP matter. Especially when we are talking about the fact that there is a good chance Sale wont end up throwing enough innings to qualify for the ERA title.

Currently Sale has 23 Starts and 146 innings pitched, needing 18 innings to even qualify for the ERA title. At earliest he returns middle of next week (he has a practice game on Friday). That gives him at most 4, and most likely 3 starts remaining (if he actually returns the middle of next week). Lets say he starts 4 times and goes his average 6.33 innings all 4 starts (unlikely but still). That would give him 27 starts, and 172 innings. Compare that to Kluber who after tonight already has 29 starts and and 193 innings pitched. Give Kluber another 4 starts (and possibly 5), and he is up to 33 starts and 218 innings pitched. Meaning that if Sale comes back healthy as soon as possible and knocks it out of the park immediately he still ends up 6 starts, and 44 innings pitched less than kluber. That is literally 20% less of a season than kluber, and all of that is ideal. In a very realistic scenario Kluber finishes with 220+ innings, while Sale ends up with less than 160. Just based on that Sale shouldnt even sniff the Cy Young.
 
What this means is that we kick Sale's whiny ass when we face him. Again.
 
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