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foucault87 said:
Trading Mitchell this offseason would be one of the dumbest and inexplicable moves in NBA history. It would be like the time the Knicks wanted 3m rather than Dr J
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No one suggested this.
 
foucault87 said:
Trading Mitchell this offseason would be one of the dumbest and inexplicable moves in NBA history. It would be like the time the Knicks wanted 3m rather than Dr J
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This would be a poverty basketball team if fans were general managers. The team would consist of Lauri and 150 first round draft picks to (1) trade for stars that aren't available or stars that finish above LeBron and Kyrie in MVP voting and eventually still won't be good enough or (2) draft 150 Dylan Windlers hoping one of them are a quarter of the player Mitchell is, then regret it and trade all 150 when they don't turn into Jordan or Kareem by 21.
 
foucault87 said:
I am sure Koby took 0 calls during the trade deadline. That is why we didn't make any moves. He probably put his phone on silent for the whole week and decided we don't need to make any improvements. Clearly that is what happened.
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Confirmed.
 
I would not trade him now, but if we regress this season then move him.
 
godfather said:
I would not trade him now, but if we regress this season then move him.
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Then you're going to get pennies on the dollar because any team trading for him has to deal the risk of losing him after the season in free agency
 
I’m not a fan of the Mitchell trade but it happened and we can’t run it in reverse. He’s an all-NBA player we’ve got to try to make it work.
 
ice cream man said:
No one suggested this.
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i did.....but i understand the ire of some here on the thought of mitchell being traded this summer because it would confirm the absolute incompetence of altman as even the biggest koby kuckhold could not deny the fact that he should then be fired.

imo, this clusterfuk of koby fukups over the last nine months or so that reads like a nightmare on elm street should be enough but thats just the opinion of someone using the theories of logic...and this person on teh realgm forum didnt even mention on how bad altman misread the potential of lauri markennan....


Is there a chance that Altman's seat it getting a little warm?
It's been a brutal year with lots of small bad decisions.
- Let's start off with extending Darius Garland for the full 5 years with no player option. No complaints here, but it's not all that impressive to offer a guy the most guaranteed money possible and have him take it.
- Made Ricky Rubio and his torn ACL the priority signing of last offseason. The other signings-- Lopez and Neto-- didn't make the floor in the playoffs outside of garbage time. Although Rubio wasn't about this season, he sure didn't look good all year.
- Extended Dean Wade. Looked like a deal for the first month of the season. Looked scared by the end. Let's hope it pays off next year.
- Played hardball with Sexton, refusing to sign him to a fair contract. Smart-ish? It made economic sense, but if the Mitchell trade doesn't materialize then this could have blown up.
- Traded the farm for Mitchell, which was exciting and seemed like reasonable value at the time but continues to look worse with the outcomes of the season.
- Went into the season with a 6-man competition for the starting SF job. If you think you might have six closely-matched candidates for a job, you probably have no viable candidates for the job.
- Did not add anybody at the deadline, preferring the options already on the roster, despite Wade never looking good after his injury and with Lamar Stevens lineups failing to rebound. I did not have Danny Green as the best potentially available big man on the market.
- Didn't trade Love at the deadline despite him being planted on the bench.
- Let Love walk while only paying back a little bit of his nearly $9m in owed salary when he asked for a buyout.
- Did not find a big man on the buyout market after we parted with Love, leaving the big man depth pretty shaky.
- Did not add Diakite to the postseason roster despite us bringing him in to play PF when we realized Wade and Stevens weren't cutting it, and our first round matchup involving a roster with several big men. (We knew Windler was down with another sprain and realistically his contract rights mean nothing right now, it would have been really logical.)
- Paid Danny Green $2m to take four shots in 40 minutes in the playoffs while having to be hidden on defense.
- Signed Sam Merrill, who didn't make the floor in the playoffs. I guess we get to have a 27 year-old short wing borderline NBA player on the roster next year?

What I see here is a bunch of "forward-thinking" moves that look fine in isolation but totally ignored the present. You need players for this year. You need more than two playable bigs. You need wing shooting. You need depth. You throw in some boneheaded decisions the year before (LeVert trade, Hartenstein RFA nonsense) and you're just not in a good spot.

 
Really ridiculous to criticize Koby for Markkanen when he was one of the last free agent signings as everybody passed on him and Altman signed him in a widely criticized move. Markkanen had a nice season but he’s nowhere near as good as Mitchell and the Jazz faded badly. Likely to be a one time All Star like Allen.
 
2 For The Brew said:
Really ridiculous to criticize Koby for Markkanen when he was one of the last free agent signings as everybody passed on him and Altman signed him in a widely criticized move. Markkanen had a nice season but he’s nowhere near as good as Mitchell and the Jazz faded badly. Likely to be a one time All Star like Allen.
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Markkanen was a weird situation as a RFA. Markkanen was the one who wanted out more than the Bulls. The Bulls made it known he was available but they wanted something for him, they weren't going to just let him go.

The Jazz faded badly because they traded away a lot of their players and sat players that helped with their early success. They didn't have a PG really after they traded Conley. They sat Sexton for a while whenever he was injured and limited his minutes when he did play. They traded away Conley, Vanderbilt, NAW, and Beasley.
 
2 For The Brew said:
Really ridiculous to criticize Koby for Markkanen when he was one of the last free agent signings as everybody passed on him and Altman signed him in a widely criticized move. Markkanen had a nice season but he’s nowhere near as good as Mitchell and the Jazz faded badly. Likely to be a one time All Star like Allen.
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I highly doubt Markkanen is only a 1 time all star like Allen. Guy is an extremely skilled 7 footer with a great 3 point shot. He was a top 20 player this year.
 
HammerGold said:
I highly doubt Markkanen is only a 1 time all star like Allen. Guy is an extremely skilled 7 footer with a great 3 point shot. He was a top 20 player this year.
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Ehh...he was the first option on a bad team. If his team ever gets better, his numbers will go down.
 
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