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Lauris worth way more than 2. He's worth like 4 himself
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cmon, man....can you cut koby some slack?
its already bad enough for him for you to rub salt in his wounds.....
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Maybe, but who would pay for that??? Mitchell is at best a 2nd option on a title team, but this was already known. LM is he even a top 2 option????
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Some teams would give up 4 firsts for Lauri. What are the odds those late firsts are going to nab you a 25 and 9 player who's 7 feet and can shoot 3s. His value is only a little lower than Mitchell after the season he just had.
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Pretty strong disagree out of me on multiple angles.
First, Lauri is clearly not worth 4 firsts. Here is a list of players traded for 4 first round picks in the last 10 years:
Kevin Durant in 2023
James Harden in 2021
Paul George in 2019
Now think of all of the superstars that have been traded in the last 10 years. If Kawhi, AD, Kyrie, Durant once, Russ at his peak, Love at his peak, CP3 3 times, Dwight at his peak, Mitchell, Murray, etc.. didnt get 4 picks, how in the world would the Jazz get 4 out of Lauri?
Second, Lauri's value is considerably lower than Mitchell's. As in, not even in the same ball park. Mitchell is about to be named first team all NBA and a lot of metrics show him as the best offensive player in the league this season on a team that was defense first, second, and third. Lauri had a great season! I'm really happy for him and I wish we had kept him over Allen for roster fit purposes, but come on now. This is not even close.
First, Lauri is clearly not worth 4 firsts. Here is a list of players traded for 4 first round picks in the last 10 years:
Kevin Durant in 2023
James Harden in 2021
Paul George in 2019
Now think of all of the superstars that have been traded in the last 10 years. If Kawhi, AD, Kyrie, Durant once, Russ at his peak, Love at his peak, CP3 3 times, Dwight at his peak, Mitchell, Murray, etc.. didnt get 4 picks, how in the world would the Jazz get 4 out of Lauri?
Second, Lauri's value is considerably lower than Mitchell's. As in, not even in the same ball park. Mitchell is about to be named first team all NBA and a lot of metrics show him as the best offensive player in the league this season on a team that was defense first, second, and third. Lauri had a great season! I'm really happy for him and I wish we had kept him over Allen for roster fit purposes, but come on now. This is not even close.
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I'm saying 4 first round picks if you didn't include any other players as a hypothetical.
Most advanced metrics are going to have Lauri and DM's seasons as pretty comparable. Have you seen Lauri's numbers? Mitchell has the edge but it's not a big difference.
When I brought up the trade during the season and how Lauri's performance wasn't far behind DM, posters would tell me just wait for the playoffs. We needed to trade for Mitchell to get our playoff go to guy. Now that the argument fell through we're coping that his regular season performance was way better (it wasn't.)
five for george as well as sga and whatever gallinari was worth
LA Clippers officially acquire Paul George
OKC receives Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, Danilo Gallinari and five first-round picks
but i agree that the four is just too high. lauri has had just one good year and teams are going to break down the tape and very good chance it wont be so easy next year.
and you add to the fact that hes completely unproven in the playoffs....i think two is fair....
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Two late firsts for a young all star? No wayfive for george as well as sga and whatever gallinari was worth
LA Clippers officially acquire Paul George
OKC receives Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, Danilo Gallinari and five first-round pickswww.nba.com
but i agree that the four is just too high. lauri has had just one good year and teams are going to break down the tape and very good chance it wont be so easy next year.
and you add to the fact that hes completely unproven in the playoffs....i think two is fair....
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five for george as well as sga and whatever gallinari was worth
LA Clippers officially acquire Paul George
OKC receives Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, Danilo Gallinari and five first-round picks
but i agree that the four is just too high. lauri has had just one good year and teams are going to break down the tape and very good chance it wont be so easy next year.
and you add to the fact that hes completely unproven in the playoffs....i think two is fair....
I actually forgot about the Gobert trade. I guess if some team can sucker 4 firsts plus multiple other assets for Gobert, that there may be a GM drunk enough to trade 4 firsts for Lauri.
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Lauri is also on a bargain contract. Makes half of what Mitchell makes
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I think teams are wising up to where a pick might fall now and that changes the calculation for how many picks they are willing to give or take in a trade. Unprotected picks from an older team way into the future are worth more than the same unprotected picks in the near future. I think teams look at them to where they will realistically land now, not just first round picks. Even second round picks are the same way now. I think Lauri is worth 2 first round picks that may be in the teens of the draft or 4 real late 1st round picks.
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What are the odds of 2 teen first rounds picks matching Lauri's production? The odds of either of them ever making an all star team are low
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That's true. There are some loopsided trades out there though, I think Ainge would get the most out of anyone for him. Look what Porland got CJ McCollum, they basically got a bunch of players they didn't keep and a 1st round pick.
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McCollum is way older than Lauri, way higher paid and in his entire career he's only had 1 season that was as good as the season Lauri just had (2021)
good point.....i dont know...i was just trying to cut altman some slack but possibly youre right. myb some bird rihgts have some value as well.
fuk....
if it is four then the cavs should just fire altman after this seasons free agency if they dont get lucky cuz theyer not going to do jack shit without a 35 minute b-level guy at the three in addition to finding at least b-level replacements for both wade and rubio.
six first rounders for a guy who ended up not really fitting the timeline nor the expectations?....one bad season of playoff games can be chalked up to an anomaly....two is a concern if not major concern especially at 50mm/year.
and what if donovan has three consecutive bad playoffs?...at 30 from the 3? and he wants 50mm?
thats not a top 10 player... six first round picks for a guy who is statsitically a bit better than zach levine in teh regular season?..levine a guy who can arguably play the three later in his career whereas mitchell is a 2 from here on out?
the more you dig into this the uglier it gets