2015 NBA Draft Thread

[Snarly]

No, he had to opt in by then I'm pretty sure. He's thus opted out.

I bet he is stoned and forgot he had a choice to make.

 

[Chris]

I thought The Bullshit Whisperer or someone on ESPN said that if you don't say anything it assumes you opt-in, although your position would make sense. He had a player option, not an ETO.

Hmm. I thought Windy said the other way around. Who knows I guess?

 

[nikolajz1]

I thought we lacked scoring and playmaking abilities in the Finals. We need two way players not defensive only players. This draft was disappointing.

I doubt any of the players we drafted today see a minute of play. We're pretty set on building through trades. Rarely will 2nd round rookies be impactful their first two years. Draymond Green sucked for a bit before he finally found his way. Rookies arent gonna solve any holes we have on the team. Would rather sign Mo Williams as backup PG for the MLE and then someone to back up Lebron with Haywood's.

 

[Snarly]

Tonight the Cavaliers added

Cedi Osman
Rakeem Christmas
Sir'Dominic Pointer

And none of those names are made up.

Sir'Dominc Pointer sounds like a english man with a white mustache, top hat and bad stories.

 

[Scholar]

Dude, are you serious with this? It's been explained to you numerous times by several posters. There were quite a few known players on everyone's big board ahead of Thompson. Grant made an unconventional pick with Thompson at #4 and it was not the right call.

With all due respect, what is it that you don't you get about this? Thompson wasn't the 4th best player on the anyone's board and Cavs were supposed to be selecting BPA. How'd they come to the determination that Tristan Thompson was the 4th best player?



Who the fuck is talking about Jimmy Butler?!?

Gouri, I don't know if you know this, but, Detroit had a trade in place with Toronto to get Tristan if he was there when the Raptors picked. When we passed on Jonas, Toronto just went and picked him for themselves. But, this obviously shows that Mr Thompson was no lower then 5th on the Pistons draft board.

 

[godfather]

The track record isn't nearly as bad as some are making it out to be.

And how bad was I making it out to be? I was pointing out one, bringing up first overall picks isn't a great way to gauge how well a team has done. Come on, first overall picks.

Two, never did I say or suggest the Cavs have bombed all their picks, or have never made good selections.

I said its no secret we've had some sketchy draft selections, and if I brought them all up, I'd probably never get to sleep tonight.

 

[Snarly]

Whoa.... What? Who fired Hinke??

 

[Rich]

I feel odd arguing in favor of the Cavs drafting by using Thompson, who I've vehemently argued is about to get way overpaid.

But I dunno guys, if you've got two top 5 picks and manage to come away with two top 5 players out of that draft, that seems like a win to me.

If the standard is getting the absolute best player remaining every single time you pick, then every franchise fails more than it succeeds. Even the Spurs don't manage to pick the guy who turns out to be the absolute best player remaining with every single pick. More times than not, there are guys who end up being better picked later.

 

[shoes22]

JR is officially a Cav next year.

I don't think so.
If he hadn't picked up his option by midnight (and it looks like he didn't), he becomes a free agent.

 

[Rich]

Jalen Rose was awful, by the way. At this point, my desire for Love to stay just to stick it to Rose almost matches my desire for him to stay so the Cavs have the best possible chance at winning a title. Unbearable.

 

[gourimoko]

You're running around

cmon...?

saying the Cavs can't scout and develop and that they should punt on the draft forever,

The bolded is a lie, you just made that up. I never said "they should punt on the draft forever," what the fuck kind of shit is that?

I wrote a long post detailing exactly why I think the Cavs can neither scout nor develop. It was a follow-up to another post I wrote a few months back.

which implies

Nothing, because that isn't what I said, it's what you're claiming you thought I said.

that you think that the players they picked are garbage.

Umm.. I already told you I'm not saying that at all, this is the second time I'm telling you that isn't what I said, and the second time I'm asking you why are you putting words in my mouth?

The Cavs have a pretty poor draft / development record. I also think we should have went with a trade over drafting at #24 considering we're in win-now mode and that we have a poor draft / development record.

You read into that that I am discounting the value of the draft "forever," and that the players we selected are "garbage."

How else am I supposed to take that?

I suggest you step back and re-read my post, specifically my post to you where I said I'm not down on Christmas.

What you're saying here is frankly ridiculous.

I get that you wanted them to move the pick with Haywood. I'm sure they tried, as by all accounts that was what they wanted to do. But you can't just force a team to do that.

This is nonsense. Again, I'm not saying we had to move the pick with Haywood, but we certainly could have made better use of it than a Euro-stash and the two players we selected. Even if that meant trading it for a future first rounder.

You are totally missing the conditionals in my argument; why I don't know.

The Spurs trade that has been rumored I'm sure is still on the table, and will be executed when/if the Spurs know LMA is coming there. Until then, there is no need to dump good players to a potential competitor.

I don't know what you're talking about, and this has nothing to do with anything I've said.

I for one hope they don't trade him for an exception right away because that kills our chance to go after a big fish since we'll no longer be able to package him with Miller. If it gets to the end of July and we still haven't found a deal to our liking then we can go down the exception road, but until then I want to keep Haywood in the form he's in.

I'm simply looking at what they've done, and I see a team not likely to use Haywood right away, but to wait until the middle of the season. Ben suggested the Cavs will likely flip Haywood into a TPE, I'm starting to see that myself.

By the way, you're nuts if you think they're never going to bring that guy over. This isn't Milan Macvan or Ejike Ugboja. This is a guy that Blatt clearly knows and likes. And the reason I brought up Blatt is because as a coach in Europe, he surely knows the good players over there that are rising through the ranks. So again, use his European experience as a scouting resource.

Guy will never play in a Cavs uniform. Book it. And again, dunno why you keep mentioning Blatt; I doubt he had anything to do with this draft.

In closing, eat a Snickers because you get whiny when you're hungry.

It's the one thing I hate about this board when drafts or trades happen... Everyone gets butthurt when criticisms are made.

 

[I'mWithDan]

I doubt any of the players we drafted today see a minute of play. We're pretty set on building through trades. Rarely will 2nd round rookies be impactful their first two years. Draymond Green sucked for a bit before he finally found his way. Rookies arent gonna solve any holes we have on the team. Would rather sign Mo Williams as backup PG for the MLE and then someone to back up Lebron with Haywood's.

Christmas could certainly play.

His per 40 minute numbers this season were 20 PPG, 11 REB, 3 BLKS.....27 PER, 59% TS, 55.2 EFG.

He also performed really well at the combine....tearing up 5-on-5 and has an NBA body (250 LBS).

He's older, so typicaly those guys fall but he is a bit of a late bloomer.

Limited offensively facing the basket but he can rebound and guard the PNR. He has good lateral movement, as is evidence by him playing on the perimeter in Syracuse's zone sets.

If we lose a big, I think he's capable of playing limited minutes. He's a low ceiling guy but someone who should be able to be a spot big in the NBA. Guess we'll see.

 

[gourimoko]

I'd rather talk about all this tomorrow or the next day when we're all a bit more rational. Will respond later.

 

[Helium filament]

I feel odd arguing in favor of the Cavs drafting by using Thompson, who I've vehemently argued is about to get way overpaid.

But I dunno guys, if you've got two top 5 picks and manage to come away with two top 5 players out of that draft, that seems like a win to me.

If the standard is getting the absolute best player remaining every single time you pick, then every franchise fails more than it succeeds. Even the Spurs don't manage to pick the guy who turns out to be the absolute best player remaining with every single pick. More times than not, there are guys who end up being better picked later.

I see your point, but it definitely seems like the Cavs never find guys lower in the draft that turn out to be good picks. Their good picks have generally been the obvious choices.

 

[spydy13]

Seems like the through line for our draft tonight is that all of these guys play hard. I think we all saw that that's not a bad thing from your role players.

Hopefully with free agency and whatever the Haywood deal brings us we can get some more skilled guys, but I like the idea of having a bunch of young, hungry, and hard workings guys at the end of our bench rather than the washed up vets we had last year.