2016 Buckeyes Football

[elcheato]

This is what I'll say about JT.

We saw what he looked like with Herman. We saw what Cardale looked like with Herman.

We then saw what Cardale looked like with Beck, and have since seen what JT looks like with Beck.

By deductive reasoning, I think it's fair to conclude it's not JT. Had I not seen what a good JT Barrett looks like for a whole year, then maybe I'd be ready to toss him under the bus. But I have. Same for Cardale Jones.

I don't think it's JT. I don't think it was Cardale.

It's Tim Beck.

Going to be a bit difficult to find a coach as good as Tom Herman to agree to be the offensive coordinator

 

[spydy13]

Going to be a bit difficult to find a coach as good as Tom Herman to agree to be the offensive coordinator

He did it with Herman though. The problem was that he went from a young, innovative coach to somebody that wasn't exactly lighting the world on fire at Nebraska. There's gotta be someone out there at a smaller program that would die to get experience at a major program.

 

[Chris]

I hate this. The trolls are out in full force.

 

[SixPACK]

At least we have the blue jackets?!

 

[NorthCoastBias]

Made the post below last month in the recruiting thread regarding guys I thought could be fits if the offensive coordinator position opened up. Unfortunately, no staff changes were going to be made until after the playoff, so many of these guys are now off the market.

Since there was some discussion regarding the offensive coordinator position in here, I'll list some names I'd be interested in if the position comes open (in no particular order):

Major Applewhite - OC/QB coach - Houston: He had an affair with a Texas student while he was a coach there, so people are speculating he may not follow/may not be allowed to follow Herman to UT this time around. Still a young guy with plentiful connections to the state of Texas. UPDATED - Hired as HC at Houston

Matt Canada - OC/QB coach - Pitt: Finalist for the Broyles Award (best assistant in the country); has Midwestern roots (Indiana native, coaching stops at Indiana, Northern Illinois, Wisconsin and now Pitt); has the ability to tailor to his personnel, but still tends to be more run oriented. UPDATED - Hired as OC at LSU

Kevin Wilson - former HC - Indiana: Not much was said during IU's presser yesterday regarding his dismissal. If it is in fact for playing injured guys, then he immediately gets taken off the list. If his transgressions were more benign ("difference of philosophy"), then he'd be a top contender. Ran some great offenses at Oklahoma and did a nice job making over a fledgling program at IU. UPDATED - Many rumors swirling Urban met with him before the Fiesta Bowl; considered leader in the clubhouse should changes to the offensive staff occur

Brian Brohm - co-OC/QB coach - Western Kentucky: Brother of WKU head coach Jeff Brohm, so he may stick with him no matter where Jeff ends up, but Brian was a great player at Louisville and has been part of a WKU staff that has presided over some incredibly prolific offenses. UPDATED - Followed his brother Jeff to Purdue to serve as co-OC/QB coach

Sonny Cumbie - co-OC/QB coach - TCU: Down year for TCU, but they too have been explosive in the last few years since Gary Patterson brought on Cumbie and co-OC Doug Meacham. Cumbie is similar to Applewhite in that he's a young guy with Texas roots who played the QB position in college. UPDATED - No change here. Still a guy I'd be interested in

Mike Sanford, Jr. - OC/QB coach - Notre Dame: Urban tried to land him two years ago after Herman's departure, but he decided on ND after being given the reigns as a playcaller. His dad was Urban's OC at Utah, so there's some familiarity there. Strong recruiting prowess, as he was the recruiting coordinator at Stanford under David Shaw. Could be willing to leave ND with the uncertainty regarding Brian Kelly's future. He's also a young guy and former college QB at Boise St. UPDATED - Hired as HC at Western Kentucky

Sterlin Gilbert - former OC/QB coach - Texas: He's obviously on the market after Charlie Strong's departure, but I think he did a decent job in his first year at UT, and the defense was the main culprit of their demise this season. Comes from the Baylor tree, but coordinated an offense that produced a 2,000 yard rusher in D'Onta Foreman. Also had coaching stops, albeit brief, with Dino Babers at Eastern Illinois and Bowling Green, so there's a small tie to the Midwest. UPDATED - Following Charlie Strong to USF to serve as OC/QB coach

ETA: Couple more names I forgot:

Brian Johnson - QB coach - Mississippi State: Recruited by Urban and played for him in one season at Utah; has served as an OC in the past at Utah; coaching under Urban disciple Dan Mullen; turns 30 in February, so very young; position coach for one of the hottest QB names in the NFL right now for two seasons (Dak Prescott in '14 and '15). UPDATED - Hired as OC/QB coach at Houston

Drew Mehringer - OC/QB coach - Rutgers: Served as a GA under Urban and Tom Herman at Ohio State for two seasons ('12 & '13), so he knows the style of offense very well; only 28 years old; served as Houston's recruiting coordinator for the 2015 season; Texas native. UPDATED - Hired by Tom Herman to serve as Passing Game Coordinator at Texas

Ultimately, I doubt Warinner and Beck are gone unless the offense is a complete disaster in the playoff game (UPDATED - This is what happened ) or Warinner gets a head coaching gig and takes Beck along to be his OC.

Couple other names I'd be interested in now that we're in the new year:

Chip Kelly - soon to be unemployed HC - San Francisco 49ers: Total pie in the sky, but Urban convinced a former NFL HC and longtime friend in Greg Schiano to lead the defense. Why not do the same for the offense? Kelly could rebuild some of his coaching value for both college and pros.

Kevin Johns - co-OC/QB coach - Indiana: If Wilson doesn't work out, why not try the guy who served as his offensive coordinator? Dayton native and recruits the state of Ohio for Indiana's staff.

Brian Wright - OC/QB coach - Toledo: UT had a prolific passing offense this year, which was Wright's first with the school; Wooster native with coaching stops at Walsh and Youngstown State

Mike Yurcich - OC/QB coach - Oklahoma State: Fast riser in the coaching ranks, as he came to Oklahoma State from DII Shippensburg University in 2013; oversees a high powered passing offense; Euclid native

 

[Ohio]

Tim Beck out here putting all the blame on the players. Lol this assclown is gone.

 

[billmac91]

21 of the first 27 offensive plays for OSU were passes.

Let that sink in for a second.

Urban Meyer said after the game that was absolutely not the gameplan.

Meyer has to take some ownership as Head Coach, but that stat is so fucking absurd I don't know what to say.....

We are a power run football team. And last night was the right time to turn into a 5 wide spread, finesse team? Like What in the honest fuck?

Beck is done.

 

[Rich]

21 of the first 27 offensive plays for OSU were passes.

Let that sink in for a second.

Urban Meyer said after the game that was absolutely not the gameplan.

Meyer has to take some ownership as Head Coach, but that stat is so fucking absurd I don't know what to say.....

We are a power run football team. And last night was the right time to turn into a 5 wide spread, finesse team? Like What in the honest fuck?

Beck is done.

That's the amazing thing. When Beck gets super conservative, he doesn't actually resort to what this team does well. He gets conservative by throwing nothing but flares and running endless jet sweeps.

LIke, what the fuck man. If you're going to play conservative, lets at least do what we do and run the ball between the damn tackles.

 

[Ohio]

I thought the speed options were bad, but then I saw those HB flares 10 yards behind the LOS last night. Mother of god.

 

[col63onel]

People complained that we ran Barrett too much and didn't get the ball to Samuel enough. "Playcalling sucks" was the creed.

Last night, they tried to force feed Samuel and didn't run Barrett that much. Literally exact opposite "playcalling" that we've seen all year, and exactly what the Madden playcallers were claiming for. And what do they say? "Playcalling sucks". If all you can say is "playcalling sucks" just step away from the keyboard.

Problem was our OLine got beaten against any quality DLine we played, and our QB can't throw a deep ball. The lack of developing any sort of consistent short-mid range passing game is the biggest sin, to me. We tried it a little last night but Barrett got swatted at the line a lot.

 

[ajz20]

I get the love for JT, but he was completely flustered by a pro style DE entire defense. The only line can take some blame, but they had successful running pays, just did not do it enough to matter. JT missed at least three long strikes overthrowing his man and threw right into coverage a few times. He just was not ready to be the quarterback. With this game his pro stock dropped to near zero.

He might improve in the off-season, but he has such a long way to go, I don't see him making that jump...

JT was never going to be a legit NFL prospect. He should be good enough to win a title with at the college level with the right coaching and weapons around him. Not sure where the NFL talk began, but any scout worth a damn will tell you he does not have the physical tools to be a future NFL starter, and even career backup qb was a bit of a reach.

 

[Ohio]

People complained that we ran Barrett too much and didn't get the ball to Samuel enough. "Playcalling sucks" was the creed.

Last night, they tried to force feed Samuel and didn't run Barrett that much. Literally exact opposite "playcalling" that we've seen all year, and exactly what the Madden playcallers were claiming for. And what do they say? "Playcalling sucks". If all you can say is "playcalling sucks" just step away from the keyboard.

Problem was our OLine got beaten against any quality DLine we played, and our QB can't throw a deep ball. The lack of developing any sort of consistent short-mid range passing game is the biggest sin, to me. We tried it a little last night but Barrett got swatted at the line a lot.

Where were the runs up the middle? Why pass 21 of the first 27 plays?

Let's not pretend that last night was what people were clamoring for with regards to playcalling, beyond the fact it was different. Beck & Warriner have absolutely no idea what they are doing. In way over their heads.

And yes, the issues go far beyond that. JT has his limits. WRs are raw. OL is not good. But the lack of player development on offense the last couple years is incredible.

Coaching is far and away the most responsible for what happened last night.

 

[col63onel]

Where were the runs up the middle?

Fumbles. Weber was not right. Dropped an easy pass and fumbled twice.

Why pass 21 of the first 27 plays?

Because we didn't want to run it with Barrett

Let's not pretend that last night was what people were clamoring for with regards to playcalling, beyond the fact it was different.

It was what people thought they wanted. The fact that people think you can find a play that works against the CPU in Madden and run it 80% of time works in real football is the problem.

Beck & Warriner have absolutely no idea what they are doing. In way over their heads.

Warriner was a really good OLine coach. No problem with that assessment of Beck.

And yes, the issues go far beyond that. JT has his limits. WRs are raw. OL is not good. But the lack of player development on offense the last couple years is incredible.

Disagree there. We put how many people into the NFL last year? The offense has been amongst the best since Meyer took over. And for much of the year, the offense was pretty good. Given how many good defenses we played and how young we were, it wasn't a bad year.

I agree the offense got worse as the season went on. I think that was due to teams identifying weaknesses in the OLine and in the lack of a deep passing threat. That's stuff that can get better in one offseason, though.

Coaching is far and away the most responsible for what happened last night.

Coaching is responsible for EVERYTHING. It's also responsible for the wins we've had over the last 5 years.

 

[Ohio]

Fumbles. Weber was not right. Dropped an easy pass and fumbled twice.

No doubt. Samuel is more than capable of running between the tackles. As is JT.

Because we didn't want to run it with Barrett

Not at all? I'm not sure why. Who was asking for this?

It was what people thought they wanted. The fact that people think you can find a play that works against the CPU in Madden and run it 80% of time works in real football is the problem.

I'll be honest, I don't remember seeing anyone here or elsewhere asking for us to run a Mike Leach run n gun offense.

Warriner was a really good OLine coach.

No doubt, and if he's willing to go back to that role (doubtful) I'd take him in a second.

Disagree there. We put how many people into the NFL last year? The offense has been amongst the best since Meyer took over. And for much of the year, the offense was pretty good. Given how many good defenses we played and how young we were, it wasn't a bad year.

I agree the offense got worse as the season went on. I think that was due to teams identifying weaknesses in the OLine and in the lack of a deep passing threat. That's stuff that can get better in one offseason, though.

Last year it the best example of all. A team that was an absolute juggernaut of an offense before 2015 turned into a mediocre one. They didn't make the NFL based on their development in 2015.

This year, the offense struggled pretty mightily in just about every game against a team with a defensive pulse. Wisconsin, Penn State, Michigan, Clemson. That's not even including the Northwestern and Michigan State debacles.

That stuff certainly can get better in the offseason. And I remember hearing all about it a year ago. And, it didn't get better. Arguably got worse. This is a coaching problem.

For the second year in a row, the defense absolutely carried the team.

Coaching is responsible for EVERYTHING. It's also responsible for the wins we've had over the last 5 years.

No doubt.

 

[col63onel]

No doubt. Samuel is more than capable of running between the tackles. As is JT.

Never really seen Samuel run between the tackles in 3 years. Mostly took counters and sweeps.

Most of Barrett's "inside" runs were off option looks or draws. Not the war Tebow would run up the middle. I don't know that either running up the middle is the answer. Both found their best success doing other things.

Not at all? I'm not sure why. Who was asking for this?

Who was asking for us to run Barrett less? A lot of people.

I'll be honest, I don't remember seeing anyone here or elsewhere asking for us to run a Mike Leach run n gun offense.

Not quite sure what this means. I am not saying they were. I am saying fans clamored for something, got what they wanted, and then gave the same arguments they started with.

Last year it the best example of all. A team that was an absolute juggernaut of an offense before 2015 turned into a mediocre one. They didn't make the NFL based on their development in 2015.

This year, the offense struggled pretty mightily in just about every game against a team with a defensive pulse. Wisconsin, Penn State, Michigan, Clemson. That's not even including the Northwestern and Michigan State debacles.

That stuff certainly can get better in the offseason. And I remember hearing all about it a year ago. And, it didn't get better. Arguably got worse. This is a coaching problem.

For the second year in a row, the defense absolutely carried the team.

The 2015 offense was much more than mediocre. Top 20, probably top 10 unit. Same thing this year, when you consider the year as a whole. There are definitely struggles against good teams, and they definitely regressed as the year went on. But the OSU offense is still consistently top unit.