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Regrade the finalized trade

  • A+

    Votes: 20 8.0%
  • A

    Votes: 70 27.9%
  • B

    Votes: 74 29.5%
  • C

    Votes: 39 15.5%
  • D

    Votes: 18 7.2%
  • F

    Votes: 30 12.0%

  • Total voters
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I thought Dan was referring to dealing Love in the George deal. Could be mistaken tho.

Clearly, there was a disagreement between Griff & Gilbert that involved more than money. One wanted to trade Kyrie and one didn't. My guess is Griff leaving was the final straw for Kyrie and, prior to that, Griff wasn't willing to trade Kyrie. Perhaps Gilbert was willing to?
 
Clearly, there was a disagreement between Griff & Gilbert that involved more than money. One wanted to trade Kyrie and one didn't. My guess is Griff leaving was the final straw for Kyrie and, prior to that, Griff wasn't willing to trade Kyrie. Perhaps Gilbert was willing to?
Griff was on tv saying Kyrie was courageous to ask for a trade because it was better than him dividing the team from within. Griff seemed like he would have had no problem trading Kyrie. It would have been a matter of when and for what.
 
Clearly, there was a disagreement between Griff & Gilbert that involved more than money. One wanted to trade Kyrie and one didn't. My guess is Griff leaving was the final straw for Kyrie and, prior to that, Griff wasn't willing to trade Kyrie. Perhaps Gilbert was willing to?
I've seen speculation both ways on who wanted what. The bottom line is none of us knows what positions were held by who in this matter until it comes out at some future time. Lebron is somewhere in the mix as well.

The bottom line is, the whole timing and handling of this matter is a travesty. It's hard to understand why if any of this was simmering for as long as it seems, why didn't we just trade Kyrie for CP 3 when we had the chance? I can only assume things didn't come to a head, and Kyrie's true feelings weren't communicated until it was too late.

The way it looks to me is, Kyrie royally screwed the Cavs franchise, Lebron, and Gilbert over by waiting until after the draft and the CP3 trade to make his true intentions known. Until I hear information to the contrary this is something I will assume. Otherwise it would have been beyond stupid to not make the obvious trade of CP3 for Kyrie.
 
Griff wanted to be paid like a top 1-5 GM and wanted more power. Dan wasn't giving him that (and rightfully so IMO).
The state of the Cavs front office is way overblown- this is the ESPIN agenda against Dan Gilbert and the hope that LBJ will leave.
 
I think this is the most frustrating part of all is that we sat on our hands (Dan is the ultimate culprit). If the guy wanted a trade after winning the finals, we could've gotten a king's ransom. The exit would've mirrored that of Neymar leaving Messi and Barcelona, with Neymar leaving to forge his own legacy elsewhere (and a lot of money) and Messi wishing him the best. There would've been 3 years remaining (not including the PO) on a guy who just hit one of the biggest shots in finals history. They needed LeBron to re-up so they panicked. IF Kyrie's idiotic desire to leave a championship team to play elsewhere happened after 2016 then we misplayed our hand because his mental make-up/maturity wasn't going to magically change. If true, I wonder if it happened before or after KD decided to join Golden State.
 
I think this is the most frustrating part of all is that we sat on our hands (Dan is the ultimate culprit). If the guy wanted a trade after winning the finals, we could've gotten a king's ransom. The exit would've mirrored that of Neymar leaving Messi and Barcelona, with Neymar leaving to forge his own legacy elsewhere (and a lot of money) and Messi wishing him the best. There would've been 3 years remaining (not including the PO) on a guy who just hit one of the biggest shots in finals history. They needed LeBron to re-up so they panicked. IF Kyrie's idiotic desire to leave a championship team to play elsewhere happened after 2016 then we misplayed our hand because his mental make-up/maturity wasn't going to magically change. If true, I wonder if it happened before or after KD decided to join Golden State.
The problem is everything you said is based on incomplete evidence, and is purely speculation and assumption, and probably based on your personal opinion/bias regarding Gilbert.

I haven't seen anyone even attempt to explain or lay out a timeline about who knew what, who said what, when they said it and knew it, and what exactly was said.

There is so much more to this than what anyone outside the principle parties know, and chances are the people involved from Gilbert to Kyrie to Lebron probably don't even know all aspects of what all went down.

So to jump to an assumption that Gilbert knew everything and simply chose not to act? And, not knowing the underlying logic and motivation for everyone's part in this? People who already have a low opinion of Gilbert will put this all on his plate, same goes for Kyrie, Griffin, and Lebron. People will automatically make assumptions based on incomplete evidence, personal bias, and whatever reports they choose to believe.

I for one will admit that my knee-jerk reaction is to put it all at Kyrie's feet without really knowing all the facts or history leading up to this. I might be right and Kyrie might be an immature douche, or he might not. People assuming Gilbert is the culprit in everything from Kyrie wanting to leave, and the exit of Griffin, will make automatic assumptions to slant available reports to indicate that's how it went down. Some people somehow figure Lebron is the driving force behind all of this.

The most likely reality is that it is bits and pieces of all of the above, and even the parties involved have different perceptions and versions of everything that has been going on between Gilbert, Griffin, Kyrie and Lebron.

IDK if anyone ever will know, or maybe the whole thing comes out in the wash. If Chris Parker could write a book about this it would probably be a best seller :).
 
The way it looks to me is, Kyrie royally screwed the Cavs franchise, Lebron, and Gilbert over by waiting until after the draft and the CP3 trade to make his true intentions known. Until I hear information to the contrary this is something I will assume. Otherwise it would have been beyond stupid to not make the obvious trade of CP3 for Kyrie.
Kyrie for CP3 doesn't make us better, and certainly not enough to put us over the Warriors...so that I'm not too upset about it. But I do agree that his timing was putrid.
 
Kyrie for CP3 doesn't make us better, and certainly not enough to put us over the Warriors...so that I'm not too upset about it. But I do agree that his timing was putrid.
I would assume it wouldn't have been a straight across trade given the ages and contracts involved. And if it was done before the word of Kyrie wanting to leave got out I bet we could have gotten at least one more important piece to help us compete with the Warriors.

But, who knows? Either way I think CP3 plus would have given us a better chance than Bledsoe plus, and I assume it would go a long ways towards making Lebron happier about the whole situation as well.
 
For all we know this could be a concerted effort between Lebron and Kyrie to scuttle Gilbert and his franchise. How's that for a conspiracy theory?
 
i would make him play out his contract and trade him at the deadline right before becoming a FA
sounds like he isn't going anywhere. u wont get enough of a return and he has a contract. f*ck what he wants. he can leave when his contract is up or when the gm decides he wants to trade him.
 
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