2017 Browns Off Season Thread

[Lee]

The same thing can be said for nfl teams as well, if scouting was 100%accurate tom brady never falls to the sixth round

Quite simply scouting whether in person, through a computer screen, or by an nfl team only means so much. So yeah its a pretty big there are only 94 passes of real results by jimmy g.

Someone challenged me to put together a list of qbs available that could be had for the 12th overall pick or less so here we go

Taylor
Cousins
Romo
Bradford
Mccarron
Foles
Colin k
Mike glennon

Hell only one player (cousins) would probably actually cost the 12th overall. Im sure the vikings would gladly take 52 for bradford, same thing for romo and the cowboys. The rest arent great players but they have a lot more experience than jimmy g, and some could be had for nothing more than the price of a contract and others for lower round draft picks.

Outside of cousins, that is a pretty sad or geriatric list.

 

[bob2the2nd]

Outside of cousins, that is a pretty sad or geriatric list.

Taylor, romo, and bradford are all decent options though.

 

[Randolphkeys]

The same thing can be said for nfl teams as well, if scouting was 100%accurate tom brady never falls to the sixth round

Quite simply scouting whether in person, through a computer screen, or by an nfl team only means so much. So yeah its a pretty big there are only 94 passes of real results by jimmy g.

So why would Tom Brady fall to the sixth round behind Chad Pennington, Giovanni Carmazzi, Chris Redman, Tee Martin, and Spergon Wynn? Perhaps because watching a QB play against NFL competition has a higher floor for bust potential than a college QB playing in a college system.

Your argument has done a great job of proving my point for me: A QB developed behind a starting QB like Aaron Rodgers or Matt Hasselbeck is rarely as huge a bust as a college quarterback plucked straight out of a college system, unless we are talking about an Andrew Luck or Cam Newton college situation. I don't see a slam dunk blue chip QB in this draft. So, it's Russian Roulette trying to find out who is the Dak Prescott and who is the Johnny Flopball.

 

[bob2the2nd]

So why would Tom Brady fall to the sixth round behind Chad Pennington, Giovanni Carmazzi, Chris Redman, Tee Martin, and Spergon Wynn? Perhaps because watching a QB play against NFL competition has a higher floor for bust potential than a college QB playing in a college system.

Your argument has done a great job of proving my point for me: A QB developed behind a starting QB like Aaron Rodgers or Matt Hasselbeck is rarely as huge a bust as a college quarterback plucked straight out of a college system, unless we are talking about an Andrew Luck or Cam Newton college situation. I don't see a slam dunk blue chip QB in this draft. So, it's Russian Roulette trying to find out who is the Dak Prescott and who is the Johnny Flopball.

Actually keys how many qbs have been developed by an all time great and been any decent?

Young behind montanta, rodges behind farve.... there have been 3 busts behind brady alone.

 

[AZ_]

Actually keys how many qbs have been developed by an all time great and been any decent?

Young behind montanta, rodges behind farve.... there have been 3 busts behind brady alone.

Rich Gannon comes to mind.

Daunte Culpepper behind Cunningham.

But this is just as much of a wildcard as drafting a highly touted guy.

The only thing that matters is the schematic fit and protection as it relates to the team around him.


Saying there's some sort of preferred method of acquisition is silly, to me.

 

[CommD]

That's unfortunate.

Only to the purveyors of the "The Cult of of Garoppolo, the green".

 

[Randolphkeys]

Actually keys how many qbs have been developed by an all time great and been any decent?

Young behind montanta, rodges behind farve.... there have been 3 busts behind brady alone.

Brady SAT behind Bledsoe, who was the bridge QB. Most franchises ideally want a bridge guy because the college game no longer resembles the pro game on offense.

You are reframing the conversation without addressing my point, but let's take a look. 75% of NFL starting quarterbacks are 28 or older, so it looks to me like drafting a QB to start right away isn't working unless the QB is a blue chipper, or you get really lucky. How lucky have the Browns been in that mid-round Russian Roulette game?

Only to the purveyors of the "The Cult of of Garoppolo, the green".

Resorting to this kind of discourse just sucks for everyone. Trade for Garoppolo, or don't. I don't care enough. Just know that if the Browns plan to draft their franchise QB, a bridge QB is likely needed.

 

[bob2the2nd]

Rich Gannon comes to mind.

Daunte Culpepper behind Cunningham.

But this is just as much of a wildcard as drafting a highly touted guy.

The only thing that matters is the schematic fit and protection as it relates to the team around him.


Saying there's some sort of preferred method of acquisition is silly, to me.

My point exactly. And if the whole point is have a qb that can develop a draft pick then go get romo and draft mahommes. Gives you the bridge qb at minimum cost (trade wise obviously huge salary), and hopefullu a chance to really grow a great qb. And best of all you get to keep the 12, and 33rd

 

[AZ_]

My point exactly. And if the whole point is have a qb that can develop a draft pick then go get romo and draft mahommes. Gives you the bridge qb at minimum cost (trade wise obviously huge salary), and hopefullu a chance to really grow a great qb. And best of all you get to keep the 12, and 33rd

The Browns aren't getting Tony Romo, cmon

 

[CommD]

Resorting to this kind of discourse just sucks for everyone. Trade for Garoppolo, or don't. I don't care enough. Just know that if the Browns plan to draft their franchise QB, a bridge QB is likely needed.

Bolded: As I have posted numerous times in this thread and others.

And regarding discourse, restating my point to fit you own is a disrespectful tactic as well. JMHO.

 

[Randolphkeys]

Bolded: As I have posted numerous times in this thread and others.

And regarding discourse, restating my point to fit you own is a disrespectful tactic as well. JMHO.

Available QBs without a trade right now:

Cousins - I don't see him hitting the market, easy franchise or long-term contract situation.
Romo - Wants to start for a contender.
Taylor - Not actually available, renegotiating with Buffalo but technically under contract.
Kaepernick - Likely a bridge to nowhere since he has failed in a regular pro style offense.
Glennon - Best bridge QB out there, might be a top choice to play multiple years elsewhere.
Fitzpatrick - His arm looked terrible last year.
Hoyer - More likely to be the bridge for SF or Chicago, where he has better connections.

That's where we are. As for your tone, staff keeps track of temp bans. We are optimists that posters change. Be at the least respectful and we will ignore when your ideas have some logistics issues. Claiming a scouting department can't learn from preseason runs counter to why preseason exists on every level of football, high school on up.

 

[CommD]

Available QBs without a trade right now:

Cousins - I don't see him hitting the market, easy franchise or long-term contract situation.
Romo - Wants to start for a contender.
Taylor - Not actually available, renegotiating with Buffalo but technically under contract.
Kaepernick - Likely a bridge to nowhere since he has failed in a regular pro style offense.
Glennon - Best bridge QB out there, might be a top choice to play multiple years elsewhere.
Fitzpatrick - His arm looked terrible last year.
Hoyer - More likely to be the bridge for SF or Chicago, where he has better connections.

That's where we are. As for your tone, staff keeps track of temp bans. We are optimists that posters change. Be at the least respectful and we will ignore when your ideas have some logistics issues. Claiming a scouting department can't learn from preseason runs counter to why preseason exists on every level of football, high school on up.

However, exhibition football cannot be used to properly judge QB performance under the pressure of NFL regular season and playoff games.

Also, as we have seen in CLE with a QB such as Hoyer for example, a QB can look good initially, but as the pressure of the season mounts, performance can potentially suffer. This is why 1.5 games cannot be IMO be used to anoint a QB as franchise level; nor justify use of high 1st round draft choices for acquisition, or $90M/$40M contract extensions.

For that money, I'll take a guy like Taylor with 29 starts and top 15 performance levels AND draft a developmental QB. But unfortunately, I expect BUF to figure it out and keep him. We will see.

In that case, despite popular opinions (which of course have some merit), RG3 and Kessler may have to be added to a list of possible bridge QBs.

 

[Randolphkeys]

*I wouldn't and haven't called preseason the same as an NFL regular season game. I have called it a more accurate precursor to regular season success than college football. Two or three QB jobs are won and lost every preseason. It's an asinine debate, really.

*With Kessler, he will be a 24 year old second year player who didn't fully figure out how to play his position yet at the NFL level. I wouldn't call that a bridge QB who can lead the QB room breaking down film.

*All indications out of Barea is that RG3 is done as a Brown unless they strike out everywhere else.

 

[Sebastian]

A really good O-Line is a force-multiplier for any QB. Ask Dak.

 

[The Oi]

I can't stand watching Bradford play. He is the least enjoyable QB in the NFL to watch.

That is all.