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2017 Browns Regular Season

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Triple-S said:
Well, yeah. This is basic sports business.

In baseball? You can kinda sell people on it because it's a slower game that you can drink beers outside, take your kids to and all that stuff. It's the "experience".

In basketball? During the Cavs WORST years (post-Mark Price/Brandon/Phils, Pre-LeBron, Pre-Kyrie) I would see the team market to fans of the game to go see Kobe, Iverson, Ming, Francis..etc ball up.

Hell in Auto racing? People STILL showed up to see a pretty much "boycotted" 1996 Indy 500 because they still had the "Cars" that resembled an IndyCar, and they still had the "traditions" of that event.

In Football? This is it. If you're a Cleveland Football fan, born here, etc. You are not going to be sold on going out in the cold, to watch them get pounded upon. No one is also going to be able to see you watch JJ Watt play against you and do what he does. There is no "tradition" here outside of the team sharing a name with another team with a rich history.



I uh...can confirm otherwise. Sometimes you hear rumbles of a few things here or there. The Ubaldo Jimenez trade I heard about a few minutes before it went down when I was with the Aeros.
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A few minutes is a lot different from not only does a ticket rep know this information MONTHS in advance, but apparently the Browns have such terrible controls on their processes that they just have ticket reps making calls out of office telling every season ticket holder that Haslam has exactly 4 plans in place for when he fires Sashi

Guys serious filter some of the things you hear. Because that's obvious bullshit
 
I do realize that revenue is probably divided up quite evenly.

HOWEVER....This has to be fucking them over in terms of merchandise, ticket sales, and even local ratings.

Let's tackle TV Ratings here. Obviously locally the Cavs and Indians are able to sell their local spots with ease to their cable providers. FSOhio and STO can brag about the ratings for the greater Akron/Canton/Cleveland/Youngstown area.

What do WJW and WOIO have to offer say, I don't know...Gionino's pizza right now? Not a lot. Not to mention the fact that WKYC can't even get it's "one game a year" in the form of a TNF/SNF rebroadcast.

Merchandise. Would you want to buy ANY jersey from ANY player on this team right now? I mean Joe Thomas would be about it...but man.

Just awful across the board. My only other theory is that Haslam wants to get a new stadium in some other market.
 
Matches said:
Indeed. Guys we got for free are outplaying him. The trade was for something even less than a 7th rounder, but still. He's not good enough to say, "Hey Sammie, go deep" more than 5-10 snaps a game, apparently.

Here's the thing about being so obviously analytics-heavy. It becomes pretty easy to spot players your organization would like. Sparq isn't some big secret, and while the Browns certainly have other methods of evaluating players, if the fans have figured out that the Browns love SPARQ guys, you can be damn sure the Steelers and every other team in the league know too. So if you're Pittsburgh and you're gonna cut Sammie Coates and his 97.3 pSPARQ percentile, what do you do? Call the Browns and see if you can get them to trade something for him.
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The way I see it, if you trade a sixth round pick for someone, you're basically just throwing a dart. If it hits, you gave up nothing. If it doesn't, you gave up nothing.
 
The Wizard of Moz said:
Guys serious filter some of the things you hear. Because that's obvious bullshit
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It's the kind of bullshit that is easy to say about the Browns and later say, "see, I told you what was happening." Some people do this with all of the Browns draft picks, saying they'll stink. Well yes, we've seen this movie before.
 
Jack Brickman said:
The way I see it, if you trade a sixth round pick for someone, you're basically just throwing a dart. If it hits, you gave up nothing. If it doesn't, you gave up nothing.
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It's trading a dart for a dart. We're talking about a 10% chance of finding a low-end starter and <5% chance of finding a good one. But when you are trying to maximize your assets, everything counts at least a little. Coates and a 7th for a 6th is probably going to be a trade of nothing for nothing when it's all said and done. But I thought at the time that we had #1 waiver priority, and Coates is already proving to be a nothing in the absolute worst receiving corps in the league. It's the tiniest of bad moves, but kind of predictable given his SPARQ measurables. Everyone knows those are guys we really like.

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Matches said:
It's trading a dart for a dart. We're talking about a 10% chance of finding a low-end starter and <5% chance of finding a good one. But when you are trying to maximize your assets, everything counts at least a little. Coates and a 7th for a 6th is probably going to be a trade of nothing for nothing when it's all said and done. But I thought at the time that we had #1 waiver priority, and Coates is already proving to be a nothing in the absolute worst receiving corps in the league. It's the tiniest of bad moves, but kind of predictable given his SPARQ measurables. Everyone knows those are guys we really like.
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I just don't see the issue with using late picks to take a flyer on a guy. We already have way more picks than we are likely going to end up using, and I think we'd prefer to keep the higher picks and ditch the lower ones, wouldn't you agree?
 
Secondary is flat out trash. Worst in the nfl by a wide margin.
 
Ohdang said:
When I declined to renew my season tickets the sales reps kept calling me with all kinds of obvious bullshit and lies. Out of desperation they even tried to sell me on Johnny Manziel.

Probably would question the sky being blue if a salesman told me it was. Especially one from the Browns, lol.
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Good decision to not renew

One of the most mind blowing things people say for a reason they renew is they don't want to miss out when the browns are finally good. As if the season ticket prices won't massively go up anyway for renewing season ticket holders if that happened
 
Correct me if I'm wrong. My understanding is that just owning an NFL franchise comes with pretty much guaranteed revenue for the owners of each franchise. The Browns have been keeping themselves well under the cap limits, just scraping above minimum payrolls for the roster.

Haslam isn't being hurt financially by owning this team almost no matter what because of the way things are set up.

Where he is hurt is reputation, pride and prestige-wise, which is probably kind of a big deal to him. But financially, probably not so much.
 
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