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2017 Cleveland Browns Defense

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Randolphkeys said:
Looking around at the best defenses in the NFL, there's a lot of "linebackers" who play like strong safeties. They are smaller than the linebackers of the 1990s and 2000s, but they are fast, cover fairly well, and can blitz. The key is having blockers occupying the defensive interior and edge to allow them to play in space, and I believe the Browns drafted those type of linemen the past three years.
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Part of me feels also the factor of the TE could play a part in this. The guys on Offense are bigger and faster than they ever have been before, so you need faster guys on defense as well, which ends up turning up more importance to faster LBs and converting over bigger safeties to LB makes complete since to me. When you have TEs running 4.5 40s at 6'5 and 240+ lbs, you cannot cover them with 4.6-4.7 LBs anymore for the most part. I mean Obi was a safety in this draft, but listed at 6'4, 224 and we wanted him for our 4-2-5 system since his size and speed almost allows him to play both LB and Safety on paper. I feel you are likely to see in the next 10 years more of those style of players becoming needed by defenses if the offensive guys keep getting faster and faster while getting bigger. Honestly it wouldn't surprise me to see more 4-2-5 type of systems in place especially against 2 TE teams.
 
Well the big difference is cover skills in general rather than speed. All great to put a faster guy on the field to cover the new breed of tight ends but at the same time these guys are 6-0 (or shorter in Peppers' case) trying to cover 6-5 and good luck with that.

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Peppers gets a lot of flack on this website, but it's way too early no matter his height. This isn't basketball, you don't need 6'0 or above at every single defensive coverage spot. What matters is having enough taller rangy defensive coverage players to match up well, and maintain tackling in the defensive backfield to prevent YAC and long runs. Last year, YAC and the opposing running backs hitting the second level killed the Browns so early in the season I had to stop watching.
 
Randolphkeys said:
Peppers gets a lot of flack on this website, but it's way too early no matter his height. This isn't basketball, you don't need 6'0 or above at every single defensive coverage spot. What matters is having enough taller rangy defensive coverage players to match up well, and maintain tackling in the defensive backfield to prevent YAC and long runs. Last year, YAC and the opposing running backs hitting the second level killed the Browns so early in the season I had to stop watching.
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Completely agree. In the case of Peppers, he also has a strong build at 213 lbs. He will be able to get physical and limit YAC as a sure tackler while he still has plus speed and leaping ability in coverage.

It's not so much that we have a 5'11 guy guarding someone 6'4. It's about being in position to make it have to be a perfect throw, and being a sure tackler should said throw be perfect.
 
Randolphkeys said:
Peppers gets a lot of flack on this website, but it's way too early no matter his height. This isn't basketball, you don't need 6'0 or above at every single defensive coverage spot. What matters is having enough taller rangy defensive coverage players to match up well, and maintain tackling in the defensive backfield to prevent YAC and long runs. Last year, YAC and the opposing running backs hitting the second level killed the Browns so early in the season I had to stop watching.
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It is all about height, that is why we see so many 6'6+ players in the secondary. :chuckle:


PS, the starting AFC safeties of McCourtey, Nelson and Berry are 5'10, 5'11, and 6/0

SO clearly Peppers at 5'11 is not tall enough to be a pro bowl caliber safety.
 
From the latest update it looks like Bryant will be a DE for this roster with likely Ogbah and Nassib being the backups. How do you guys feel about Bryant being on the outside with Garrett on the other side?
 
Ogbah and Garrett will be one of the best edge duos in this league for years to come

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Yeah I know, sorry. I never knew he spouted his brand of nonsense on Twitter until I stumbled across that gem.
 
The Wizard of Moz said:
Ogbah and Garrett will be one of the best edge duos in this league for years to come

to be sincere
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https://www.profootballrumors.com/2...ailey-jaguars-snee?fv-home=true&post-id=68746

It is an update from Cabot on that page, so we shall see, but it seems like the starting DE position is Bryant's to loose according to Cabot. I thought he would go back to DT and we have no clue how camp would go, but Bryant was on Oakland's team when Jackson was the head coach there so there and with the fact they kept him after last season, tells me the plans he is in the rotation for us, for at least one more season or he is getting swapped for a pick, not released.
 
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