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The Wizard of Moz said:
After seeing the improvement of Stinks McPee I'm done counting guys out

Stinky was putrid two years ago and looked like a better defensive Michael Brantley last year
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Yeah...who knew young, inexperienced athletes could improve...

And Ramirez has been "putrid" for one month in his entire MLB experience to this point...call it what it really was by you guys...an overreaction.
 
AZ_ said:
You've mentioned a few times that Zimmer is a few seasons away.

That's not necessarily true at all. He's starting in Columbus.
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I don't think he is ready for the pros to be sincere. Now he has a spring to prove it and he has that all-star upside I just feel in 2017 I don't think he will be MLB ready with his bat. He needs another season in the minors to work on the small things. Everyone is like Zimmer will be up and blah blah blah, and say it could be something like what they did with Lindor, but Lindor had shown a lot better ability to contact the ball and didn't strike out as much. 171 strikeouts says that Zimmer isn't going to be ready for 2017 in the pros. If he can prove he can stop/lower the strikeouts then I'd be okay with it, but he needs to make adjustments before he comes up otherwise he may be up to early and it could be a bad thing. If we were rebuilding I would say hey let's see what this kid can do, but we are trying to win it all, let the kid be fully developed before we put him in a game. Now I wouldn't be opposed to seeing him in September/if the injury bug happens, but otherwise something tells me it be a bit early.

Yandy Diaz is the guy bat wise who should be up before Zimmer. He's older and has played pro ball in Cuba when he was younger so he will be ready (I feel he should actually make the team if Brantley doesn't return back to health). I know he isn't as good defensively but he can hit and when he gets his chance he will prove it. I wouldn't even be surprised in due time he hits second in the lineup.

Now I have also said Naquin isn't guaranteed his spot as well, so I could be proven wrong and it wouldn't bug me if I was wrong. Naquin had to prove he wasn't a fluke/a one trick pony with his bat. He can hit off speed stuff, but he has to show he can hit/lay off the high fastball.

We should be bringing in a veteran OF to compete with Naquin and Almonte for a roster spot. Talent wise Zimmer should be on the MLB club but right now we need proven guys on the bench rather than just talent. Sorry I wanna plan that Brantley isn't healthy and we need to bring in guys who have experience just in case. We also do not have a ton of OFs in the upper levels. Allen just got to AA and he will start the season at AA, Zimmer will be at AAA and will be the season at AAA unless he can prove he can stop the strikeouts.
 
sportscoach said:
I don't think he is ready for the pros to be sincere. Now he has a spring to prove it and he has that all-star upside I just feel in 2017 I don't think he will be MLB ready with his bat. He needs another season in the minors to work on the small things. Everyone is like Zimmer will be up and blah blah blah, and say it could be something like what they did with Lindor, but Lindor had shown a lot better ability to contact the ball and didn't strike out as much. 171 strikeouts says that Zimmer isn't going to be ready for 2017 in the pros. If he can prove he can stop/lower the strikeouts then I'd be okay with it, but he needs to make adjustments before he comes up otherwise he may be up to early and it could be a bad thing. If we were rebuilding I would say hey let's see what this kid can do, but we are trying to win it all, let the kid be fully developed before we put him in a game. Now I wouldn't be opposed to seeing him in September/if the injury bug happens, but otherwise something tells me it be a bit early.

Yandy Diaz is the guy bat wise who should be up before Zimmer. He's older and has played pro ball in Cuba when he was younger so he will be ready (I feel he should actually make the team if Brantley doesn't return back to health). I know he isn't as good defensively but he can hit and when he gets his chance he will prove it. I wouldn't even be surprised in due time he hits second in the lineup.

Now I have also said Naquin isn't guaranteed his spot as well, so I could be proven wrong and it wouldn't bug me if I was wrong. Naquin had to prove he wasn't a fluke/a one trick pony with his bat. He can hit off speed stuff, but he has to show he can hit/lay off the high fastball.

We should be bringing in a veteran OF to compete with Naquin and Almonte for a roster spot. Talent wise Zimmer should be on the MLB club but right now we need proven guys on the bench rather than just talent. Sorry I wanna plan that Brantley isn't healthy and we need to bring in guys who have experience just in case. We also do not have a ton of OFs in the upper levels. Allen just got to AA and he will start the season at AA, Zimmer will be at AAA and will be the season at AAA unless he can prove he can stop the strikeouts.
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Improving his contact rate is an obvious must for him, but this is a far cry from "a few seasons away."
 
sportscoach said:
I don't think he is ready for the pros to be sincere. Now he has a spring to prove it and he has that all-star upside I just feel in 2017 I don't think he will be MLB ready with his bat. He needs another season in the minors to work on the small things. Everyone is like Zimmer will be up and blah blah blah, and say it could be something like what they did with Lindor, but Lindor had shown a lot better ability to contact the ball and didn't strike out as much. 171 strikeouts says that Zimmer isn't going to be ready for 2017 in the pros. If he can prove he can stop/lower the strikeouts then I'd be okay with it, but he needs to make adjustments before he comes up otherwise he may be up to early and it could be a bad thing. If we were rebuilding I would say hey let's see what this kid can do, but we are trying to win it all, let the kid be fully developed before we put him in a game. Now I wouldn't be opposed to seeing him in September/if the injury bug happens, but otherwise something tells me it be a bit early.

Yandy Diaz is the guy bat wise who should be up before Zimmer. He's older and has played pro ball in Cuba when he was younger so he will be ready (I feel he should actually make the team if Brantley doesn't return back to health). I know he isn't as good defensively but he can hit and when he gets his chance he will prove it. I wouldn't even be surprised in due time he hits second in the lineup.

Now I have also said Naquin isn't guaranteed his spot as well, so I could be proven wrong and it wouldn't bug me if I was wrong. Naquin had to prove he wasn't a fluke/a one trick pony with his bat. He can hit off speed stuff, but he has to show he can hit/lay off the high fastball.

We should be bringing in a veteran OF to compete with Naquin and Almonte for a roster spot. Talent wise Zimmer should be on the MLB club but right now we need proven guys on the bench rather than just talent. Sorry I wanna plan that Brantley isn't healthy and we need to bring in guys who have experience just in case. We also do not have a ton of OFs in the upper levels. Allen just got to AA and he will start the season at AA, Zimmer will be at AAA and will be the season at AAA unless he can prove he can stop the strikeouts.
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Contact issues are an obvious need to improve on, but that seems to be the only thing you are focusing on while overlooking the following:

2015 towards the end of the season, specifically when he was in Akron, he played with a messed up foot that required surgery in the off season, so prior to his 2016 season he had no off season to work on actual baseball stuff and instead had to rehab...that's not the case coming into this season, and he said as much during the AZFL. So let's see what that does for him, considering his only healthy pro off season to this point has resulted in his best stop in the minors so far (.308/.403/.493 in Lynchburg, which is the big jump for minors hitters IMO).

You are also ignoring the numerous MLB ready skills he has already. Ability to work counts, ability to still post a high OPS even with the contact issues, speed, baserunning, plus defense at any of the 3 OF spots, plus arm from the OF...considering how poorly Naquin rated out in CF last season, and how blah Almonte has been there to this point, his defense alone is a big deal for 2017.

He's not a couple seasons away...he's not even a full season away IMO...but he won't be making the club out of Spring Training, regardless if he plays very well or not.
 
I'm not sure if Zimmer is "ready" or not because those things seem to be such a crap shoot most of the time (making the transition from the minors). However, I'm pretty confident he'll have a great season at AAA. That alone will put him in line for a call up if the situation dictates the need for an OF'er.
 
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BimboColesHair said:
Contact issues are an obvious need to improve on, but that seems to be the only thing you are focusing on while overlooking the following:

2015 towards the end of the season, specifically when he was in Akron, he played with a messed up foot that required surgery in the off season, so prior to his 2016 season he had no off season to work on actual baseball stuff and instead had to rehab...that's not the case coming into this season, and he said as much during the AZFL. So let's see what that does for him, considering his only healthy pro off season to this point has resulted in his best stop in the minors so far (.308/.403/.493 in Lynchburg, which is the big jump for minors hitters IMO).

You are also ignoring the numerous MLB ready skills he has already. Ability to work counts, ability to still post a high OPS even with the contact issues, speed, baserunning, plus defense at any of the 3 OF spots, plus arm from the OF...considering how poorly Naquin rated out in CF last season, and how blah Almonte has been there to this point, his defense alone is a big deal for 2017.

He's not a couple seasons away...he's not even a full season away IMO...but he won't be making the club out of Spring Training, regardless if he plays very well or not.
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He is one of the future guys for this organization. I just don't want him up before he really is ready for the pros is all I am saying. He needs a season or more in the minors to show he is ready. Now I am not sure at the end of the day who will be better in CF, him or Allen, but we have a bright future in the OF. I have Naquin the fourth OF in due time with Allen, Diaz and Zimmer being the starters. I am not doubting any of his other skills at all since I said talent wise he should be on the ball club, just to me the contact ability is a very important skill for the pros. I want him up as a complete player not just having one or two really good skills.

If we did that heck Stamets would be up in the pros since he is arguably the second coming of Johnny McDonald since the kid cannot hit, but is quite possiblely one of the best fielding SS you could find anywhere in baseball. If you look at Stamets basic fielding stats in the minors, it says his range is better than Lindor's and actually equal to Vizquels at the same age.

My point is Zimmer's talent level says he should be in the pros and easily could be another young Sizemore with his numbers, but barring injuries I actually don't expect any contribution from him outside of maybe September this year and that would just to be to get his feet wet for 2018 when he should be competing for a MLB job. I don't see him doing what Lindor did at all, he isn't there yet and we don't need to bring him up a bit early like we did with Lindor.
 
sportscoach said:
He is one of the future guys for this organization. I just don't want him up before he really is ready for the pros is all I am saying. He needs a season or more in the minors to show he is ready. Now I am not sure at the end of the day who will be better in CF, him or Allen, but we have a bright future in the OF. I have Naquin the fourth OF in due time with Allen, Diaz and Zimmer being the starters. I am not doubting any of his other skills at all since I said talent wise he should be on the ball club, just to me the contact ability is a very important skill for the pros. I want him up as a complete player not just having one or two really good skills.

If we did that heck Stamets would be up in the pros since he is arguably the second coming of Johnny McDonald since the kid cannot hit, but is quite possiblely one of the best fielding SS you could find anywhere in baseball. If you look at Stamets basic fielding stats in the minors, it says his range is better than Lindor's and actually equal to Vizquels at the same age.

My point is Zimmer's talent level says he should be in the pros and easily could be another young Sizemore with his numbers, but barring injuries I actually don't expect any contribution from him outside of maybe September this year and that would just to be to get his feet wet for 2018 when he should be competing for a MLB job. I don't see him doing what Lindor did at all, he isn't there yet and we don't need to bring him up a bit early like we did with Lindor.
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Dude...I get your point...I just don't get your "couple seasons away" shit...like even you are reneging on that a bit in this post right now...

And the shit on Stamets...who the fuck cares about Eric Stamets? If you are insinuating that I am saying defense is all that matters in that post, you need to go back and read what I said again.

And why are we comparing what Lindor did with what Zimmer may do? 1, Lindor wasn't nearly as good offensively in the minors as he has been in the majors to this point, and 2, what an unfair standard to throw on prospects coming up to the Tribe now if they are going to be consistently compared with what Frankie did as a rookie...there's a reason that rookie class was considered historically good.

Like I said, I agree he isn't ready right now. I agree he needs to fix his contact shortages. Where we disagree is that I think the contact aspect is the only flaw in his game right now, while everything else is MLB ready...hence why he is very close and knocking on the door instead of "a couple years away" in my eyes, and in the eyes of many others, including people paid to talk about this stuff...
 
The Wizard of Moz said:
After seeing the improvement of Stinks McPee I'm done counting guys out

Stinky was putrid two years ago and looked like a better defensive Michael Brantley last year
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Lots of interesting story lines to follow coming up:

-Can Jose repeat or even build on his success?
-Does Yan Gomes return to some sort of normalcy or will Perez take over?
-Michael Brantley - no explanation needed.
-Does Almonte make a name for himself again?
-Does Naquin continue his success?
-Will Tomlin continue to be the goat?
 
Lord Mar said:
Lots of interesting story lines to follow coming up:

-Can Jose repeat or even build on his success?
-Does Yan Gomes return to some sort of normalcy or will Perez take over?
-Michael Brantley - no explanation needed.
-Does Almonte make a name for himself again?
-Does Naquin continue his success?
-Will Tomlin continue to be the goat?
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Will the Indians finally give up on Carlos Santana?
 
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