2018-2019 Tank Thread

[daddywags]

I have been going to TANKATHON website which has a lottery simulator and it has been eye-opening in a very bad way.

Folks better be prepared with the concept of us falling as far as pick 7 as it's a very true reality.

Here is the website in the event anyone wants to get sad...

http://www.tankathon.com/

Tried it 10 times. Got number 1 twice and number 6 four times.

Sad face.

 

[stick]

I have been going to TANKATHON website which has a lottery simulator and it has been eye-opening in a very bad way.

Folks better be prepared with the concept of us falling as far as pick 7 as it's a very true reality.

Here is the website in the event anyone wants to get sad...

http://www.tankathon.com/

What's more likely to happen?

#1) All three of the bottom three teams picking 1st, 2nd, and 3rd?

#2) Not a single of the bottom three teams picking 1st, 2nd, and 3rd?

The answer is number 2. #2 is around 10+ times as likely to happen than #1.

Don't worry, in terms of the overall lottery, that's only around a 20~ish% of happening. It's most likely for 2 of the 3 bottom teams to drop out of the Top 3 selections.

A lot of "2"s floating around. Yes, the very true reality is a "shit" one, indeed.

But... the draw has yet to happen. The selections are yet to be made. Don't fret too much if the Cavs pass Chicago.

 

[2 For The Brew]

I get that they want to discourage tanking, but there HAS to be other methods out there. This does make things more exciting but at this point just let every team have an equal chance (in theory).

Well, let's see.

The NBA originally had "territorial" picks -- a team could forfeit their first-round pick and select any player who played college ball within 50 miles of their home arena.

The Philadelphia Warriors argued that Wilt grew up in Philly so they should be allowed to take him -- the NBA agreed. The Warriors acquired a total of seven picks in this fashion -- including from 4 of the Big 5 schools (all but Drexel).

The Cincinnati Royals argued that they were the only team in Ohio so they should be allowed to take OSU's Jerry Lucas -- and the NBA agreed. Cincinnati also acquired the Big O this way as well.

In the Mid 60's the NBA did away with Territorial picks and replaced that with a system where the first overall pick was a coin flip between the two teams that were the worst in their conference. This system ended after the Houston Rockets tanked two years in a row to get Ralph Sampson & Hakeem Olajuwon (Bill Fitch was coach).

The lottery system then came into being -- originally all lottery teams had an equal chance, but that just encouraged more tanking, so they went to the ping pong ball system with the worst team having a 25% chance.

The Sixers irritated a lot of people with their crass tanking, so now they've cut the chance for the worst team to 14% -- yet people still think the tank is a viable strategy.

In reality there IS no "fair" method for the draft. 30 teams want Zion. 1 will get him. Whichever team gets him has a BIG advantage -- same in 2003 when we got LeBron.

Baseball, football and Hockey are all different because you need so many more players, but in basketball having "THE GUY" means everything. There's no way the NBA can make even most teams happy -- because the essence of the NBA is domination by a few over the many.

 

[thunder_down_under]

Whilst everyone is talking about Zion as the obvious #1, potential saviour, greatest college player blah blah blah...I am wondering whether in fact Barrett would not be a better fit for the Cavs...he is an elite SG and at only 18 could develop into a reasonable SF.
Whilst Zion is clearly dominating college, he should given his skill set, but also his size...he is basically a man competing against boys. What will be like at the NBA level...but, most importantly for me, is his weight and body structure...at 285 he is big...he could get bigger...laterally rather than vertically...doesn't anyone else have concerns?

 

[2 For The Brew]

...at 285 he is big...he could get bigger...laterally rather than vertically...doesn't anyone else have concerns?

Zion Kemp?

 

[DR CRAZY]

I get that they want to discourage tanking, but there HAS to be other methods out there. This does make things more exciting but at this point just let every team have an equal chance (in theory).

I thought about this long ago and then realized teams will just tank their way out of the playoffs. Unless your referring to playoff teams included.

I feel the better your record the better the perks should be. Take things away from the worst teams that get the best picks. Reward teams for winning. Tax breaks , bigger MLE, longer trade deadline etc

 

[stowfan]

Whilst everyone is talking about Zion as the obvious #1, potential saviour, greatest college player blah blah blah...I am wondering whether in fact Barrett would not be a better fit for the Cavs...he is an elite SG and at only 18 could develop into a reasonable SF.
Whilst Zion is clearly dominating college, he should given his skill set, but also his size...he is basically a man competing against boys. What will be like at the NBA level...but, most importantly for me, is his weight and body structure...at 285 he is big...he could get bigger...laterally rather than vertically...doesn't anyone else have concerns?

It has crossed my mind Zion could eat his way out of the NBA.

 

[thunder_down_under]

It has crossed my mind Zion could eat his way out of the NBA.

He is currently even heavier than...dare i say it...Anthony Bennett

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

What will be like at the NBA level...but, most importantly for me, is his weight and body structure...at 285 he is big...he could get bigger...laterally rather than vertically...doesn't anyone else have concerns?

Absolutely.

His skills are good, not great, so his superstar status is dependent upon his extraordinary athleticism. Injury, weight gain, or perhaps weight gain as a result of injury are all pretty legitimate concerns. Recovery is tougher for guys who carry a lot of weight, even if it's muscle.

I personally don't follow college ball closely, but he still seem like the best pick. I just think he's a less certain superstar than some others seem to believe.

I'll be really interested to see what happens to his weight in the 3 months between the tournament and the draft.

 

[Lee]

Well, let's see.

The NBA originally had "territorial" picks -- a team could forfeit their first-round pick and select any player who played college ball within 50 miles of their home arena.

The Philadelphia Warriors argued that Wilt grew up in Philly so they should be allowed to take him -- the NBA agreed. The Warriors acquired a total of seven picks in this fashion -- including from 4 of the Big 5 schools (all but Drexel).

The Cincinnati Royals argued that they were the only team in Ohio so they should be allowed to take OSU's Jerry Lucas -- and the NBA agreed. Cincinnati also acquired the Big O this way as well.

In the Mid 60's the NBA did away with Territorial picks and replaced that with a system where the first overall pick was a coin flip between the two teams that were the worst in their conference. This system ended after the Houston Rockets tanked two years in a row to get Ralph Sampson & Hakeem Olajuwon (Bill Fitch was coach).

The lottery system then came into being -- originally all lottery teams had an equal chance, but that just encouraged more tanking, so they went to the ping pong ball system with the worst team having a 25% chance.

The Sixers irritated a lot of people with their crass tanking, so now they've cut the chance for the worst team to 14% -- yet people still think the tank is a viable strategy.

In reality there IS no "fair" method for the draft. 30 teams want Zion. 1 will get him. Whichever team gets him has a BIG advantage -- same in 2003 when we got LeBron.

Baseball, football and Hockey are all different because you need so many more players, but in basketball having "THE GUY" means everything. There's no way the NBA can make even most teams happy -- because the essence of the NBA is domination by a few over the many.

How many championships does Houston win if Sampson stays healthy? Is Jordan still the GOAT in most peoples eyes if the twin towers win 3 of Chicago's titles?

I know Sampson played into his early 30's, but he was never the same as the knee never healed. Today he comes back 95% and is still a 7'4, 20pt, 11 rebound 2 block guy with a jump shot next to Hakeem.

Sad

 

[JDailey23]

Whilst everyone is talking about Zion as the obvious #1, potential saviour, greatest college player blah blah blah...I am wondering whether in fact Barrett would not be a better fit for the Cavs...he is an elite SG and at only 18 could develop into a reasonable SF.
Whilst Zion is clearly dominating college, he should given his skill set, but also his size...he is basically a man competing against boys. What will be like at the NBA level...but, most importantly for me, is his weight and body structure...at 285 he is big...he could get bigger...laterally rather than vertically...doesn't anyone else have concerns?

No need to worry. The Knicks are destined to win the lottery and take Zion. We will be picking 4th.

 

[2 For The Brew]

How many championships does Houston win if Sampson stays healthy? Is Jordan still the GOAT in most peoples eyes if the twin towers win 3 of Chicago's titles?

I know Sampson played into his early 30's, but he was never the same as the knee never healed. Today he comes back 95% and is still a 7'4, 20pt, 11 rebound 2 block guy with a jump shot next to Hakeem.

Sad

How many more championships does Boston win if Len Bias wasn't tragically lost?

Portland lost Bill Walton, Sam Bowie and Greg Oden to terrible injuries. Three centers, all taken #1 or #2 overall. Sam Bowie was a hell of a talent -- put him on that mid-80's Portland team and they would have been a handful.

Drugs wiped out a lot of very good players in the 70s and 80s.

Twin towers, though -- I saw them at the Coliseum in Feb 1985 (way up in the rafters). The Rockets started off poorly and Bill Fitch got a tech -- then ripped the whistle off the referee and was ejected. Ralph Sampson then went for 41 pts & 21 boards. World countered with 45 (6 of 9 from 3!!!!! -- WAY ahead of his time) and 9 assists but Cavs lost 122-115. Very sad that Ralph got hurt.

 

[Lee]

How many more championships does Boston win if Len Bias wasn't tragically lost?

Portland lost Bill Walton, Sam Bowie and Greg Oden to terrible injuries. Three centers, all taken #1 or #2 overall. Sam Bowie was a hell of a talent -- put him on that mid-80's Portland team and they would have been a handful.

Drugs wiped out a lot of very good players in the 70s and 80s.

Twin towers, though -- I saw them at the Coliseum in Feb 1985 (way up in the rafters). The Rockets started off poorly and Bill Fitch got a tech -- then ripped the whistle off the referee and was ejected. Ralph Sampson then went for 41 pts & 21 boards. World countered with 45 (6 of 9 from 3!!!!! -- WAY ahead of his time) and 9 assists but Cavs lost 122-115. Very sad that Ralph got hurt.

Man I loved World (dont call me Floyd) B Free, he was one of my all time favorites. Never met a shot he didn't like. One of the few posters I had in my room growing up was of him.

 

[stowfan]

Man I loved World (dont call me Floyd) B Free, he was one of my all time favorites. Never met a shot he didn't like. One of the few posters I had in my room growing up was of him.

You have a lot of guts admitting that. lol

 

[Lee]

You have a lot of guts admitting that. lol

Why, I fell in love with basketball during the early 80's. World was one of the only reasons to watch Cavs basketball back then.