2018 Browns Free Agent Thread

[Randolphkeys]

Player one averaged 3.5 yards per carry to Duke's 4.2, which is the difference between replaceable and productive. Duke also averaged more yards per reception, although that at least was close.

Meanwhile Duke's yards per touch blew player one's out of the water, 6.8 to 4.7.

Based on those stats, Duke is just a far more efficient player on a per touch basis.

Player one was Terry Kirby in 1999, who ran behind the worst offensive line in Cleveland Browns history.

Similar output, yet how memorable is Terry Kirby about two decades later? He made a brutal year more tolerable at times. There's a level of appreciation, that's about it.

On a good offense, Duke is a complimentary player but certainly not a team MVP. I'm ready for the good offense now, please.

 

[Jack Brickman]

Player one was Terry Kirby in 1999, who ran behind the worst offensive line in Cleveland Browns history.

Similar output, yet how memorable is Terry Kirby about two decades later? He made a brutal year more tolerable at times. There's a level of appreciation, that's about it.

On a good offense, Duke is a complimentary player but certainly not a team MVP. I'm ready for the good offense now, please.

I don't think anyone here expects Duke to be the team's best player going forward. However, calling him "meh" this year when his stats clearly prove otherwise is a disservice to his talent. He was one of the best backs in the NFL this year on a per touch basis.

I mean, you're quoted as saying Duke has been underwhelming every time he's gotten the ball and that Hue has been blamed, and that statement is demonstrably false when you actually look at, you know, the actual stats.

 

[Randolphkeys]

I don't think anyone here expects Duke to be the team's best player going forward. However, calling him "meh" this year when his stats clearly prove otherwise is a disservice to his talent. He was one of the best backs in the NFL this year on a per touch basis.

I mean, you're quoted as saying Duke has been underwhelming every time he's gotten the ball and that Hue has been blamed, and that statement is demonstrably false when you actually look at, you know, the actual stats.

Dude, 82 carries doesn't qualify him for rushing leaders. Even if he did qualify, 4.2 a carry is pretty underwhelming. Crow averaged 4.1 and nobody wants him back. As a receiver? Sure, like I've said for a while now he has a role as a slot back who goes in motion for jet sweeps, backup to a real back. But to say as a running back he is fairly underwhelming isn't as crazy as you make it out to be.

 

[Jack Brickman]

Dude, 82 carries doesn't qualify him for rushing leaders. Even if he did qualify, 4.2 a carry is pretty underwhelming. Crow averaged 4.1 and nobody wants him back. As a receiver? Sure, like I've said for a while now he has a role as a slot back who goes in motion for jet sweeps, backup to a real back. But to say as a running back he is fairly underwhelming isn't as crazy as you make it out to be.

I'm not rating him solely as a runner. I'm factoring in his overall yards per touch, and that would make him third in the NFL among RBs, which is anything but underwhelming.

Did Duke shit in your cereal or something?

 

[Randolphkeys]

I'm not rating him solely as a runner. I'm factoring in his overall yards per touch, and that would make him third in the NFL among RBs, which is anything but underwhelming.

Did Duke shit in your cereal or something?

The Browns shit on my autumn every autumn.

 

[The Voice]

You'd have the money for that...this year.

But thinking one year at a time would be short-sighted, obviously.

At some point, you have to be able to tell people why you just paid Kirk Cousins the most money of any QB in the league when you have a guy like Rosen there in the draft and other options in free agency.


The only reason people want to do this is to vault the Browns out of the basement and into mediocrity, but to truly build a winner, mediocrity ain't the path.

Rosen could end up being the next big bust. We know who cousins is and we be overpaying him for his top 10 numbers. I think you're underrating cousins while we are overrating him. It's neither of our money.


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[Pick6]

Leveon Bell is all about that $$
View: https://twitter.com/espn/status/951616512623808512

 

[Urban]

Dude, 82 carries doesn't qualify him for rushing leaders. Even if he did qualify, 4.2 a carry is pretty underwhelming. Crow averaged 4.1 and nobody wants him back. As a receiver? Sure, like I've said for a while now he has a role as a slot back who goes in motion for jet sweeps, backup to a real back. But to say as a running back he is fairly underwhelming isn't as crazy as you make it out to be.

I think Crow could actually play pretty well on a team with a semblance of a pass game and one that doesn't abandon the run game so easily.

But the alternative of drafting a younger, cheaper, and likely better back in the draft makes much more sense than paying him "big bucks", (relatively speaking).

 

[Jack Brickman]

I think Crow could actually play pretty well on a team with a semblance of a pass game and one that doesn't abandon the run game so easily.

But the alternative of drafting a younger, cheaper, and likely better back in the draft makes much more sense than paying him "big bucks", (relatively speaking).

He's basically replaceable. Not an elite prospect by any means. Decent athlete but not extraordinary. Doesn't do much damage in the passing game. Not terribly efficient, especially compared to his counterpart in our run game. He doesn't rank top ten in any metric, again unlike Duke who was top ten in multiple ones. He's basically the definition of a JAG. Not a bad player, but there's really no point in paying him when we have so many draft picks we can use on a replacement who has a good shot of being a better player. Plus, this draft is loaded at RB.

 

[AZ_]

Rosen could end up being the next big bust. We know who cousins is and we be overpaying him for his top 10 numbers. I think you're underrating cousins while we are overrating him. It's neither of our money.


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If you fuck you fuck up Josh Rosen, odds are you’re going to fuck up Kirk Cousins too.

 

[OptimusPrime]

I'm not going to shit on Duke Johnson. He's fine. He's certainly not a top back in the league, I don't care what he averaged per touch. He caught a lot of balls because Kizer couldn't accurately throw anything deeper than a check down much of the time. He's a good back in passing situations. But if I'm trying to rebuild this football team, I'm spending zero time worrying about how Duke Johnson fits into the scheme of things.

 

[The Voice]

He's basically replaceable. Not an elite prospect by any means. Decent athlete but not extraordinary. Doesn't do much damage in the passing game. Not terribly efficient, especially compared to his counterpart in our run game. He doesn't rank top ten in any metric, again unlike Duke who was top ten in multiple ones. He's basically the definition of a JAG. Not a bad player, but there's really no point in paying him when we have so many draft picks we can use on a replacement who has a good shot of being a better player. Plus, this draft is loaded at RB.

I could have sworn crow was top 10 in a couple stats like yards after contact.


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[The Voice]

If you fuck you fuck up Josh Rosen, odds are you’re going to fuck up Kirk Cousins too.

Not true, Kirk is known commodity. Rosen could be worse then Kizer (ok, I got carried away there, he could be worse then Alex smith in his first 3 years for all we know)


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[AZ_]

Not true, Kirk is known commodity. Rosen could be worse then Kizer (ok, I got carried away there, he could be worse then Alex smith in his first 3 years for all we know)


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I wonder if there were Bears fans who said this about Jay Cutler too.

Silly to believe you think his numbers with another team just translate over.

 

[Jack Brickman]

I'm not going to shit on Duke Johnson. He's fine. He's certainly not a top back in the league, I don't care what he averaged per touch. He caught a lot of balls because Kizer couldn't accurately throw anything deeper than a check down much of the time. He's a good back in passing situations. But if I'm trying to rebuild this football team, I'm spending zero time worrying about how Duke Johnson fits into the scheme of things.

For the record, I don't think he's a top back in the league. I don't think he's durable enough to assume full workhorse duties, and you have to be a workhorse to be a top back overall. However, when you look at his per touch efficiency, he was top ten this year. He's exactly the type of player you want to hang on to. He's just good at football, and we need guys like that.

But you don't really have to worry about how Duke Johnson fits, because he's the type of player who fits anywhere. You can use him on running downs as a change of pace guy, as your third down satellite back, or even run him at WR. The only backs he wouldn't really fit with are other backs whose primary value is in the passing game, as that would just create redundancy. Of course, there's no point in drafting a passing down back when we've already got Duke, who is one of the best passing down backs in the league, so it would be in our best interests to draft either a grinder or a workhorse. Either way, Duke can play with that guy.

I could have sworn crow was top 10 in a couple stats like yards after contact.

The site I use has him at 13th in yards evaded, which measures the yards after the first evaded tackle, so I suppose that's functionally the same. That's about as high as he gets in any category, though. I guess he's 12th in run blocking efficiency. Woo?

Regardless, Crowell is the definition of a replaceable RB. He isn't really elite at anything. He's serviceable and has shown he can be good in the past, but he'll never be great. Given that he's a free agent and this class is loaded at his position, I think it would be pointless to even bother bringing him back. Just draft a back with one of our second rounders (or Barkley in the first, I suppose) and move on.