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2018 Cleveland Browns Off Season Thread

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CBBI said:
I get what you’re saying.

I would be a lot more worried if the people who made the decision to pick him were ONLY citing intangible things. But thankfully they’ve made it pretty clear the intangible things only solidified their belief in his tangible skills.

And to answer your question, give Baker 2 inches of height and 10 pounds of muscle and I think he’s the unanimous No. 1 pick for NFL evaluators.
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Can we please ban the word unanimous for like 24 hours.
 
I know we hate the words “moxie” and “it factor.”

Competitive. Likeable. Whatever, I know the drill.

However, I do think it’s a very real thing to be able to sit down and talk to someone naturally. Hold attention. The life of a group conversation, even. Someone who has that natural way to take the awkward away if left one on one with a stranger—make everything seem casual and easy instead of forced because he has to.

Whether he’s talking to a teammate or somebody’s 90 year-old grandma he just met, I think Baker Mayfield is the type of guy who could make anyone feel comfortable. Just an easy young man to talk to.

I think that’s why people gravitate to him. They just straight up like the guy because it’s easy and enjoyable to be around him. He’s the type of guy that can actually be a teammate’s friend because he wants to be.

The Behind Baker series, I was skeptical when I heard he was shooting them. Seemed a little “look at me” from my perspective. Then I watched them. That’s just him being authentic on camera. He’s a real dude. Just like one of your buds back home.

And the thing is, it’s not an act. You can tell. One episode, at a food court or something he asks a random college kid if he’s gonna finish his milk shake just to mess with him. Kid hands it to him laughing and he legit gulps it down, same straw.

He’s hilarious, he’s a little brazen, hes stubborn, he’s not perfect, but he’s just a normal dude. And now he’s our normal dude franchise quarterback.

None of this will make him successful on the field. That will have to come from his other abilities. However, what it will do is make him a success in the locker room.
 
Also, Rodgers has to have the biggest damn grin on his face right now.
 
The Landry deal for QBs amirite?!? :chuckle:
 
So how long does everyone think Taylor starts for? This has been widely-discussed the past few days, and I guess I am in the minority, but I imagine Tyrod will start most, if not all of the season.

Via PFF data, Tyrod Taylor sat in the pocket more than any other QB last year, rarely turns the ball over, is good at placing the ball in favorable locations, completed 51.4% of his throws under pressure, and great at converting third downs. Additionally, his ability to scramble could improve the overall running game if the Browns run RPOs.

Now, his arm is weak, his play has regressed every few weeks on the whole since 2015, he is getting older, and is awful in the red zone.

Ultimately, Taylor seems like a QB who can keep an average team average, and that's what the Browns are.

He is definitely not the long-term answer, but I can't imagine him losing the job in training camp, or getting benched before week 12.
 
IDK if I agree with a some of what you are saying (play regressing since 2015, awful in redzone - but I don't have the stats in front of me), but if Mayfield is starting before week 12, it's either a very, very good thing that he's able to beat out Tyrod or a very bad thing in that Tyrod is playing so bad he needed to be benched for a rookie QB who is probably not ready.
 
Pick6 said:
IDK if I agree with a some of what you are saying (play regressing since 2015, awful in redzone - but I don't have the stats in front of me), but if Mayfield is starting before week 12, it's either a very, very good thing that he's able to beat out Tyrod or a very bad thing in that Tyrod is playing so bad he needed to be benched for a rookie QB who is probably not ready.
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Bills averaged 2.8 yards per attempt in the red zone this year when Taylor threw or ran the ball, fifth lowest of all NFL starters.

Agreed overall, though.
 
jking948 said:
So how long does everyone think Taylor starts for? This has been widely-discussed the past few days, and I guess I am in the minority, but I imagine Tyrod will start most, if not all of the season.

Via PFF data, Tyrod Taylor sat in the pocket more than any other QB last year, rarely turns the ball over, is good at placing the ball in favorable locations, completed 51.4% of his throws under pressure, and great at converting third downs. Additionally, his ability to scramble could improve the overall running game if the Browns run RPOs.

Now, his arm is weak, his play has regressed every few weeks on the whole since 2015, he is getting older, and is awful in the red zone.

Ultimately, Taylor seems like a QB who can keep an average team average, and that's what the Browns are.

He is definitely not the long-term answer, but I can't imagine him losing the job in training camp, or getting benched before week 12.
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I think Tyrod's style of play leaves him open to taking hits. So, Tyrod starts until his own body prevents him from starting, giving Mayfield some time under center. That's the gift and curse of a running QB.
 
jking948 said:
So how long does everyone think Taylor starts for? This has been widely-discussed the past few days, and I guess I am in the minority, but I imagine Tyrod will start most, if not all of the season.

Via PFF data, Tyrod Taylor sat in the pocket more than any other QB last year, rarely turns the ball over, is good at placing the ball in favorable locations, completed 51.4% of his throws under pressure, and great at converting third downs. Additionally, his ability to scramble could improve the overall running game if the Browns run RPOs.

Now, his arm is weak, his play has regressed every few weeks on the whole since 2015, he is getting older, and is awful in the red zone.

Ultimately, Taylor seems like a QB who can keep an average team average, and that's what the Browns are.

He is definitely not the long-term answer, but I can't imagine him losing the job in training camp, or getting benched before week 12.
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Yes, Tyrod isn't the type of quarterback that is going to give this job away. He's been the epitome of a stable/consistent quarterback for the past 3 seasons, and he has more weapons than he's ever had previously. Despite his mobility and style of play, he's still played in 44 of a possible 48 games the past 3 years, as well.

Thus, if Mayfield takes this job after the week 11 BYE, it's because he's just beating down the freakin' door.

I believe that they don't want to play him this year, and I predict a solid season from Tyrod taking care of the football.

If we see Mayfield before the last start or two, it's because he's been that impressive that he forced his way on the field.
 
Randolphkeys said:
I think Tyrod's style of play leaves him open to taking hits. So, Tyrod starts until his own body prevents him from starting, giving Mayfield some time under center. That's the gift and curse of a running QB.
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Missing me with this take.

Tyrod has never missed a game due to injury.

My guess would be Baker plays maybe the last 3 or 4 games.
 
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