2018 Draft Prospects Thread

[Lee]

Guys, seriously, how often do players actually redirect themselves on draft night? Eli and who else?

We spend a really disproportionate amount of time talking about something that’s extremely immaterial

John Elway, Bo Jackson, both come to mind.

 

[getBUCKED]

Guys, seriously, how often do players actually redirect themselves on draft night? Eli and who else?

We spend a really disproportionate amount of time talking about something that’s extremely immaterial

John Elway refused to play for the Baltimore Colts and forced a trade to Denver. It doesn't happen too often, but it does.

 

[Soda]

John Elway, Bo Jackson, both come to mind.

1983 & 1986. Not sure if you're trying to, but you're making Moz's point.

 

[ajz20]

Derrik Klassen of Bleacher Report went on a bit of a Josh Rosen GIF storm yesterday.

Touch, accuracy, velocity, arm strength all on display
View: https://twitter.com/QBKlass/status/932487018424147969

View: https://twitter.com/QBKlass/status/932673633712988160

View: https://twitter.com/QBKlass/status/932677057678422016

View: https://twitter.com/QBKlass/status/932695300543692802


A few nice passes dropped (he'll fit right in!)
View: https://twitter.com/QBKlass/status/932699709365370880

https://twitter.com/QBKlass/status/932707378855682048
https://twitter.com/QBKlass/status/932721882071052289

58 yards in the air on target
https://twitter.com/QBKlass/status/932715020315648000

Delightful pre-snap read
https://twitter.com/QBKlass/status/932738702526124032

Another dime
https://twitter.com/QBKlass/status/932769976716369920

we are in no position to pass up a prospect at the same general level of Goff. He may be just a bit below Wentz in terms of upside, but again we ARE IN NO POSITION to pass him up!!

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

It takes a certain sense of entitlement, not giving a fuck, to put a hot tub in your dorm room. It takes a certain arrogance to say "you want to own the world". It takes a small lack of awareness to call out DeShaun Watson for graduating in 3 years and simply saying some schools are better harder than others. He's not wrong, it was just a generalized statement and my guess is he had no idea what Watson studied even if he was right.....

"I'm so much smarter than everyone else" is an attitude that sometimes doesn't play well for people in leadership positions, particularly if you're leading people who aren't as well educated. Calling out a black QB for not being as well educated as you are probably isn't smart in the NFL.

His outspokeness on political issues will be overlooked if he finds success quickly. If not...more blue collar Cleveland fans might turn on him pretty quickly.

Anyway, I don't think it matters. Beggars can't be choosers at this point, and we need a QB too badly to get picky when a guy has the ability. I'd be happy with either of the California guys, whether they wish to come here or not.

 

[CBBI]

we are in no position to pass up a prospect at the same general level of Goff. He may be just a bit below Wentz in terms of upside, but again we ARE IN NO POSITION to pass him up!!

I really don't think Wentz is getting enough credit for how much he has improved from his senior year of college to right now. He has improved TREMENDOUSLY in the last three years.

I think there's a large amount of revisionist history about how good Wentz actually was as a prospect.

Todd McShay had Wentz 30th in his December 16th mock: http://forums.colts.com/topic/42948-mcshay-2016-mock-draft-10/
Matt Miller didn't have Wentz as a first round pick in his January 4th mock: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...t-matt-millers-post-regular-season-projection
Mel Kiper Jr. had Wentz 22nd in his January 14th mock: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...t-2016-notable-picks-from-espn-gurus-1st-mock
Sports Illustrated had Wentz 15th in their February 10 mock: https://www.si.com/nfl/2016/02/10/2016-nfl-mock-draft-laremy-tunsil-paxton-lynch-jalen-ramsey
The Big Lead didn't have Wentz as a first round pick in their February 22 mock: http://thebiglead.com/2016/02/22/2016-nfl-mock-draft-nick-bosa-jared-goff/
Sports Illustrated once again had Wentz 15th in their March 1 mock: https://www.si.com/nfl/2016/03/02/nfl-mock-draft-2016-combine-laremy-tunsil-jalen-ramsey

The point is...

When the college games were finished being played, Wentz was at BEST considered a late first round pick. He was not a sure fire guaranteed top of the draft no-brainer selection like many people are saying now after the fact.

Now I readily admit that Wentz had a great Senior Bowl week and a great combine, but his actual game tape pretty clearly said late first/early second rounder. He was very obviously a late riser in the process.

 

[Jack Brickman]

Guys, seriously, how often do players actually redirect themselves on draft night? Eli and who else?

We spend a really disproportionate amount of time talking about something that’s extremely immaterial

Not even sure why Darnold would be worried about the Browns having the number one pick, because no team is using the number one pick on his ass.

 

[PIP]

Guys, seriously, how often do players actually redirect themselves on draft night? Eli and who else?

We spend a really disproportionate amount of time talking about something that’s extremely immaterial

True !! but this is really flirting with unprecedented and uncharted waters of suck..

A very special circumstance that could warrant it and quite honestly if I’m a young player who wants to make a career out of this and get a couple contracts ??? I’d definitely try to avoid the Browns situation until the infrastructure is established...

 

[chrisrich91]

I really don't think Wentz is getting enough credit for how much he has improved from his senior year of college to right now. He has improved TREMENDOUSLY in the last three years.

I think there's a large amount of revisionist history about how good Wentz actually was as a prospect.

Todd McShay had Wentz 30th in his December 16th mock: http://forums.colts.com/topic/42948-mcshay-2016-mock-draft-10/
Matt Miller didn't have Wentz as a first round pick in his January 4th mock: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...t-matt-millers-post-regular-season-projection
Mel Kiper Jr. had Wentz 22nd in his January 14th mock: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...t-2016-notable-picks-from-espn-gurus-1st-mock
Sports Illustrated had Wentz 15th in their February 10 mock: https://www.si.com/nfl/2016/02/10/2016-nfl-mock-draft-laremy-tunsil-paxton-lynch-jalen-ramsey
The Big Lead didn't have Wentz as a first round pick in their February 22 mock: http://thebiglead.com/2016/02/22/2016-nfl-mock-draft-nick-bosa-jared-goff/
Sports Illustrated once again had Wentz 15th in their March 1 mock: https://www.si.com/nfl/2016/03/02/nfl-mock-draft-2016-combine-laremy-tunsil-jalen-ramsey

The point is...

When the college games were finished being played, Wentz was at BEST considered a late first round pick. He was not a sure fire guaranteed top of the draft no-brainer selection like many people are saying now after the fact.

Now I readily admit that Wentz had a great Senior Bowl week and a great combine, but his actual game tape pretty clearly said late first/early second rounder. He was very obviously a late riser in the process.

Agree with all of this.

So what this tells me is the only big mistake that this front office has made so far...wasn't really that obvious a mistake, huh?

I will be upset if the front office isn't retained to see this thing through. They've done a decent job doing what they clearly set out to do.

Draft Rosen, sign a couple mid level free agents, and all of a sudden we will be singing their praises. We're not that far off.

 

[MGMT]

This particular front seven deserves a good secondary behind it; a corner and another safety can probably propel this pass defense to average. Combine that with one of the best run-stopping units in the league and you're trending.

personally, it would be hard to me not to think about an elite coverage guy high if the value is thought to be there.

 

[CBBI]

Agree with all of this.

So what this tells me is the only big mistake that this front office has made so far...wasn't really that obvious a mistake, huh?

I will be upset if the front office isn't retained to see this thing through. They've done a decent job doing what they clearly set out to do.

Draft Rosen, sign a couple mid level free agents, and all of a sudden we will be singing their praises. We're not that far off.

It's still a mistake because Wentz is extremely good and the Browns had a chance to get him and didn't. So no matter what it's a mistake.

That said... hindsight is forever undefeated.

Wentz was NOT a no-brainer at the time. No one was discussing Wentz in November of 2015 like they are discussing Rosen and Darnold, or even Mayfield and Jackson in November of 2017.

Lest people forget, at this time in 2015 Carson Wentz was missing his 8th consecutive game with a broken wrist and wasn't even playing. He wasn't on ANYONE'S radar as a potential top 2 selection at that time.

 

[sportscoach]

Wentz was the guy I wanted from that draft, but at the time I cannot blame the team for the trade they made at all since we still have picks from that trade in this draft.

We have to upgrade though our QB position probably both through free agency and the draft

 

[Chris]

I really don't think Wentz is getting enough credit for how much he has improved from his senior year of college to right now. He has improved TREMENDOUSLY in the last three years.

I think there's a large amount of revisionist history about how good Wentz actually was as a prospect.

Todd McShay had Wentz 30th in his December 16th mock: http://forums.colts.com/topic/42948-mcshay-2016-mock-draft-10/
Matt Miller didn't have Wentz as a first round pick in his January 4th mock: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...t-matt-millers-post-regular-season-projection
Mel Kiper Jr. had Wentz 22nd in his January 14th mock: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...t-2016-notable-picks-from-espn-gurus-1st-mock
Sports Illustrated had Wentz 15th in their February 10 mock: https://www.si.com/nfl/2016/02/10/2016-nfl-mock-draft-laremy-tunsil-paxton-lynch-jalen-ramsey
The Big Lead didn't have Wentz as a first round pick in their February 22 mock: http://thebiglead.com/2016/02/22/2016-nfl-mock-draft-nick-bosa-jared-goff/
Sports Illustrated once again had Wentz 15th in their March 1 mock: https://www.si.com/nfl/2016/03/02/nfl-mock-draft-2016-combine-laremy-tunsil-jalen-ramsey

The point is...

When the college games were finished being played, Wentz was at BEST considered a late first round pick. He was not a sure fire guaranteed top of the draft no-brainer selection like many people are saying now after the fact.

Now I readily admit that Wentz had a great Senior Bowl week and a great combine, but his actual game tape pretty clearly said late first/early second rounder. He was very obviously a late riser in the process.

More curious where other teams had him on their board than where mock draft websites had him. Did other teams try to trade up for him?

 

[I'mWithDan]

At this point, if we get #1 and don't take Rosen, I'm going to be pissed (baring anything crazy happening). Dude is gonna be good. Mayfield MAY be good, but he has at least one huge limitation. Rosen was built to be an NFL Qb.

After watching Rosen the last few weeks, I think I'm with you. Rosen goes through stretches where he has some mental lapses (and forces throws) but the tools are all there for him to be a really good QB. Love his footwork, mechanics and arm strength. The decision making can improve with coaching IMO.

I also think his attitude, in the Browns case, is actually a huge plus. Dude is a delusional asshole about his own talents and I mean that as a huge compliment (given the actual talent he possesses). I feel like he would actually want to come here......like he's the type of person that would have complete confidence in killing it in a situation and with a franchise many people would tell him not to want to go to.

 

[Randolphkeys]

Something else for the growing Rosen consortium:

His OC Jeff Fisch has an NFL pedigree and will likely be looking for a job now that Shula has been fired. Here's a quote from an L.A. Times article over the summer on his work with Rosen:

Fisch isn’t afraid to advertise his displeasure, yelling “Get back in there!” during spring practice when he didn’t like the way quarterback Josh Rosen broke a huddle. But there’s also plenty of collaboration between Rosen and his third offensive coordinator in as many years. Fisch has given Rosen veto power over plays in an effort to enhance his comfort with the offense.

“He doesn’t want me to go into a game with anything I’m less than supremely confident in,” Rosen said. “At the same time, I want him to have as big of a call sheet as he wants, so … it’s on me to put as much of my time into it as I can to let him have as much freedom as he can.”

So Fisch would most likely be available to join the staff as a quarterbacks coach to aid Rosen's transition. He has coached on NFL offensive staffs led by Harbaugh, Billick, and Mike Shanahan.