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2018 Draft Prospects Thread

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Let's go Falcons. Not looking too close at it, it seems the best that Eagles 2nd rounder can be is the 28th spot if they were to lose.
 
Jacksonville most likely losing this Steelers game without Fournette....and Steelers most likely winning if Bell isn’t having a bad dayrunning the ball. RB makes a big impact position in this game.

Take Barker.
 
Delete.
 
Good down hill running backs do make a difference.

This is why the Browns should avoid Barkley and grab someone who can accomplish that.
 
AZ_ said:
Good down hill running backs do make a difference.

This is why the Browns should avoid Barkley and grab someone who can accomplish that.
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Bell isn't exactly a downhill runner. More of a patient, hesitation, pick your spots type runner. I would think Barkley could be that type of a back.
 
The greatest backs have patience and vision. Barkley's problem is that he tends to want to hit a home run every carry, so he'll dance around sometimes instead of hitting it up inside for a short gain. Lots of young backs do that. Most grow out of it with coaching. It's not like he's incapable. He sees holes. He has elite burst. He just has to be willing to do it. I would rather count on that than a purely downhill runner who will only hit it up inside for a short gain at the expense of finding big play opportunities.

I'm almost to the point where if Rosen says he'll play here, take him 1. If not, trade down to 2, take Barkley there, and trade for Alex Smith. Well, I would trade for him anyway. If Jacksonville can get to the AFC championship with Blake Bortles, then the Browns can win by putting some weapons and a defense around Alex Smith.
 
OptimusPrime said:
The greatest backs have patience and vision. Barkley's problem is that he tends to want to hit a home run every carry, so he'll dance around sometimes instead of hitting it up inside for a short gain. Lots of young backs do that. Most grow out of it with coaching.
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I can think of a whole lot of very young successful backs who didn't do that, though. Zeke didn't. Fournette didn't. Bell didn't, etc., etc., etc.. Drafting someone on the premise that they have to change their running style seems rather dicey when you're talking about a top 4 pick in the draft.

I would rather count on that than a purely downhill runner who will only hit it up inside for a short gain at the expense of finding big play opportunities.
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So would I. But the thing is, there are guys who already can do both. They can break runs for large gains, and hit seams hard to maximize yardage on the plays where it can't be taken to the house. That's vision. Not only having the physical ability to make big plays, but being able to see them set up and recognize how to get the maximum yards out of every play.

To put it differently, would you honestly say Barklely has demonstrated that he has elite field vision? Is he elite at reading and setting up blocks? Because I don't see that. I see a guy who is freakishly elite physically.
 
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The Human Q-Tip said:
I can think of a whole lot of very young successful backs who didn't do that, though. Zeke didn't. Fournette didn't. Bell didn't, etc., etc., etc.. Drafting someone on the premise that they have to change their running style seems rather dicey when you're talking about a top 4 pick in the draft.



So would I. But the thing is, there are guys who already can do both. They can break runs for large gains, and hit seams hard to maximize yardage on the plays where it can't be taken to the house. That's vision. Not only having the physical ability to make big plays, but being able to see them set up and recognize how to get the maximum yards out of every play.

To put it differently, would you honestly say Barklely has demonstrated that he has elite field vision? Is he elite at reading and setting up blocks? Because I don't see that. I see a guy who is absolutely elite physically.
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This is truly it.

That's not necessarily something you get coached out of, especially after three years as a feature back in college.

I've seen it evolve before, but with Barkley it seemed to almost get worse over time as he continued trying for bigger and bigger plays.

The assumption that he shouldn't have this ability yet is marginalized by the fact that so many other backs in this class do.
 
Anyone who says Barkley can't run downhill might need to do a quick google search on local psychwards.
 
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