2018 Draft Prospects Thread

[Ohio]

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I don't want WRs that can't catch.

Yeah, we've already wasted one too many 1st rounders on that.

 

[Randolphkeys]

A package back was the best offensive player picked in last years draft.

The Browns could do much worse.

They could certainly do much worse, but part of Kamara's success is limiting wear and tear. Ingram softened up the defense with very good back play when Kamara wasn't in. I liked Georgia and watched them a few times during the year. I'm just pointing out why a team might not think Michel is the best fit while other talented backs are still on the board.

 

[Triple-S]

This thing has been a damn roller coaster.

-Thus far it's been primarily Darnold, Mayfield and Allen connected to the Browns. I have yet to see Lamer Jackson's name come up or Josh Rosen's.
-Mel Kiper has us taking Darnold, Todd McShay has us taking Darnold, Albert Breer has us taking Darnold, Charlie Casserly has us taking Darnold, SB Nation has us taking Darnold, Athlon Sports has us taking Darnold.
-Why is everyone above in love with Darnold? I realize it was one game and all, but the Cotton Bowl left me not very impressed with the guy.

 

[ajz20]

 

[SixPACK]

They could certainly do much worse, but part of Kamara's success is limiting wear and tear. Ingram softened up the defense with very good back play when Kamara wasn't in. I liked Georgia and watched them a few times during the year. I'm just pointing out why a team might not think Michel is the best fit while other talented backs are still on the board.

Which is why we should take a serious look at Hyde. He didn't have a fantastic YPC this past year, but he still got 9 TD's, played every game, and caught like 300-400yds outta the backfield. Pair him with Michel, or any other back we draft, have Dukey play a lot in the slot (or just keep Duke as our secondary back) and we got something going.

"According to Spotrac.com, the 25 year old [CROW] is projected to earn $22,485,072 over four seasons, which equates to roughly $5.6 million annually."

Hyde will roughly get the same, possibly more. So you just have to decide which product you like better.

1. Crow + Duke
2. Crow + pick + Duke
3. Pick + Duke
4. FA (Hyde) + Pick + Duke
5. FA (Hyde) + Duke

Personally, with the crazy amount of $ we have, the crazy amount of picks, I like option #4.

 

[sportscoach]

Josh Allen Record/SRS (margin of victory adjusted for strength of schedule):
2016 - 8-6/1.37
2017 - 8-5/0.04

Lamar Jackson Record/SRS

2016 - 9-4/11.87
2017 - 8-5/9.67

Another terrible argument. Lamar Jackson won more with a tougher schedule.

Source

Allen didn't play in all of those games in 17, so you kind of have to adjust the 17 schedule a fair amount and you are also slightly comparing apples to oranges as well since Louisville is a top 50 team with top 50 recruiting classes. Wyoming has never cracked the top 100 in recruiting classes and even in their conference they are literally at the bottom when it comes to talent brought in. The fact they are actually winning games says something for the coach plus when Allen was out they lost to the worst D1 team period so pretty much that said Allen was the offense. The team around Jackson is superior in every single aspect overall when you factor in recruiting classes and the actual talent level. Yes Jackson plays in a more difficult conference, but at least his talent around him is equal to recruiting wise to his conference. Allen is not even close at all!

Wyomings recruitment

https://n.rivals.com/team_rankings/2014/mwest/football
https://n.rivals.com/team_rankings/2015/mwest/football
https://n.rivals.com/team_rankings/2016/mwest/football
https://n.rivals.com/team_rankings/2017/mwest/football

Louisville's recruitment

https://n.rivals.com/team_rankings/2014/acc/football
https://n.rivals.com/team_rankings/2015/acc/football
https://n.rivals.com/team_rankings/2016/acc/football
https://n.rivals.com/team_rankings/2017/acc/football

Teams like Boise State in one year of recruiting got more 3 stars or higher than Wyoming did in the last 4 seasons. Louisville got double the number of three stars in one season than Boise did. You cannot compare those numbers you did for a lower conference team at all with the fact he went 16-9 as a starter with one of the worst D-1 teams period. The two season before he started at Wyoming, 6-18. That is the first time Wyoming has had back to back winning seasons since the late 90s

What I am saying you cannot compare the teams in a lot of ways. They are 0-2 without Allen starting and they had a loss to San Jose State, who was ranked the worst team in D1 football. I think enough said on how much he meant to the team.

 

[Chris]

This thing has been a damn roller coaster.

-Thus far it's been primarily Darnold, Mayfield and Allen connected to the Browns. I have yet to see Lamer Jackson's name come up or Josh Rosen's.
-Mel Kiper has us taking Darnold, Todd McShay has us taking Darnold, Albert Breer has us taking Darnold, Charlie Casserly has us taking Darnold, SB Nation has us taking Darnold, Athlon Sports has us taking Darnold.
-Why is everyone above in love with Darnold? I realize it was one game and all, but the Cotton Bowl left me not very impressed with the guy.

You answered your own question.

 

[CosmoKramer]

Allen didn't play in all of those games in 17, so you kind of have to adjust the 17 schedule a fair amount and you are also slightly comparing apples to oranges as well since Louisville is a top 50 team with top 50 recruiting classes. Wyoming has never cracked the top 100 in recruiting classes and even in their conference they are literally at the bottom when it comes to talent brought in. The fact they are actually winning games says something for the coach plus when Allen was out they lost to the worst D1 team period so pretty much that said Allen was the offense. The team around Jackson is superior in every single aspect overall when you factor in recruiting classes and the actual talent level. Yes Jackson plays in a more difficult conference, but at least his talent around him is equal to recruiting wise to his conference. Allen is not even close at all!

Wyomings recruitment

https://n.rivals.com/team_rankings/2014/mwest/football
https://n.rivals.com/team_rankings/2015/mwest/football
https://n.rivals.com/team_rankings/2016/mwest/football
https://n.rivals.com/team_rankings/2017/mwest/football

Louisville's recruitment

https://n.rivals.com/team_rankings/2014/acc/football
https://n.rivals.com/team_rankings/2015/acc/football
https://n.rivals.com/team_rankings/2016/acc/football
https://n.rivals.com/team_rankings/2017/acc/football

Teams like Boise State in one year of recruiting got more 3 stars or higher than Wyoming did in the last 4 seasons. Louisville got double the number of three stars in one season than Boise did. You cannot compare those numbers you did for a lower conference team at all with the fact he went 16-9 as a starter with one of the worst D-1 teams period. The two season before he started at Wyoming, 6-18. That is the first time Wyoming has had back to back winning seasons since the late 90s

What I am saying you cannot compare the teams in a lot of ways. They are 0-2 without Allen starting and they had a loss to San Jose State, who was ranked the worst team in D1 football. I think enough said on how much he meant to the team.

This is absolutely ridiculous. Why are you comparing Wyoming to Louisville directly?

Wyoming isn't at a huge talent/recruiting disadvantage in the MWC, they're competing against teams like Utah State and New Mexico and UNLV. They're all signing mostly 2-stars and some 3-stars. The flagship program, Boise State, has signed a staggering four 4-star players in the last four years.

Now look at Louisville. They might sign a handful of 4-stars every year, but they rarely break the top 5 of their own conference.

FSU, Clemson, and Miami are all blue blood programs that pull more 4-star and 5-star players than Louisville could even dream about signing.

Virginia Tech, UNC, and NC State are all traditionally better programs in much more fertile recruiting states than Kentucky- their average classes are usually better than Louisville's.

My point being Louisville is/was a middle-of-the-road ACC team, which means week-to-week Lamar Jackson was at just as much as a disadvantage as Josh Allen- if not more.

 

[sportscoach]

This is absolutely ridiculous. Why are you comparing Wyoming to Louisville directly?

Wyoming isn't at a huge talent/recruiting disadvantage in the MWC, they're competing against teams like Utah State and New Mexico and UNLV. They're all signing mostly 2-stars and some 3-stars. The flagship program, Boise State, has signed a staggering four 4-star players in the last four years.

Now look at Louisville. They might sign a handful of 4-stars every year, but they rarely break the top 5 of their own conference.

FSU, Clemson, and Miami are all blue blood programs that pull more 4-star and 5-star players than Louisville could even dream about signing.

Virginia Tech, UNC, and NC State are all traditionally better programs in much more fertile recruiting states than Kentucky- their average classes are usually better than Louisville's.

My point being Louisville is/was a middle-of-the-road ACC team, which means week-to-week Lamar Jackson was at just as much as a disadvantage as Josh Allen- if not more.

Wyoming has gotten 10, 3 star recruits in the last 4 years and 5 were in the 17 class. Almost everyone in their league have gotten more than them to begin with. Louisville is at a less disadvantage than Wyoming who had as many winning seasons between 2000-2016 (before Allen got there) as the Browns did. (Boise usually gets 15-20, 3 star recruits every single season).

When your team loses to the worst team in D1 without their QB, you know how much he means to the team. Guys like AZ_ keep putting the games he missed into Allen’s win/loss and whatnot. Going 16-9 as a starter in his conference with the type of talent he has is really showing how good of a job he was doing.

My point is people are trying to compare Louisville and Wyoming and you cannot do it. The fact that with Allen at the helm they have even won a conference title says to his talent at the end of the day. The loss to San Jose St, showed how much he meant to the team.

Aka I am saying People are not giving Allen enough credit for the wins he had. None of the QBs in this draft could have gotten more wins out there.

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

None of the QBs in this draft could have gotten more wins out there.

 

[sportscoach]

My point is the fact Allen did a hell of a job for the team whether or not you believe me is irrelevant to me. His numbers got deflated by a bad team at the end of the day. The kid will be a monster of a QB if given the proper time to develop

 

[Triplethreat]

My point is the fact Allen did a hell of a job for the team whether or not you believe me is irrelevant to me. His numbers got deflated by a bad team at the end of the day. The kid will be a monster of a QB if given the proper time to develop

Which is time our franchise doesn't have. Which is the point of everyone else.

Josh Allen is not a fit here.

 

[AZ_]

Just utter nonsense to believe that sort of thing.

 

[Spectre]

Which is time our franchise doesn't have. Which is the point of everyone else.

Josh Allen is not a fit here.

We have plenty of time to develop a QB if we so choose. Hue's timeframe is not Dorsey's timeframe.

Dorsey can absolutely take a guy like Allen and park him on the bench to develop so long as we add someone for Hue to "win now" with. As much as we may knock McCarron, that's clearly Hue's guy.

What's the worst that can happen? Hue gets fired? Dorsey would probably be perfectly fine with that.

The QB we should draft is the one Dorsey believes will be the best, even if he needs to develop.

 

[AZ_]

Why are the same people adamant that we don't know for sure how a prospect will turn out suddenly boasting an err of confidence in exclaiming that no other QB could possibly have won more games with Wyoming than Josh Allen?