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2018 Draft Prospects Thread

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You want us to be reckless trying to get a QB? Are you one of the guys who wants to draft a QB in every round until we find the guy? :chuckle:

Mitch Trubisky has two two games completing less than 20 passes total. If he did that here would you be calling him your FQB? We drafted Johnny Manziel and for a calendar year he was the last guy to lead us to a win. FQB? We took him. We went up and got him. Must be our guy.

No, not reckless. But aggressive. If there's a guy we want, we need to make sure we get him. I find way more fault with the organization that wants a guy but is paralyzed by the cost it'll take and misses out than an org that goes and gets their guy and he busts.
 
I'm very much wrong on this but I like the idea of Lamar Jackson being a Brown...

...In theory I might add. I'm not sure if he works in practice. I think it'll wind up being Rosen or someone like that, but I'm a sucker for guys in his mold.

It's a damn shame we don't play in a shittier conference because it would be fun to see that guy ball out in a division similar to the AFC South or NFC South.
 
You want us to be reckless trying to get a QB? Are you one of the guys who wants to draft a QB in every round until we find the guy? :chuckle:

Mitch Trubisky has two two games completing less than 20 passes total. If he did that here would you be calling him your FQB? We drafted Johnny Manziel and for a calendar year he was the last guy to lead us to a win. FQB? We took him. We went up and got him. Must be our guy.

Maybe not reckless, but let's start with taking one of the top 2 QB prospects in a draft?
 
Josh Allen has had a history of poor performance against the Power 5 teams he has played. Including last year, the guy has been extraordinarily poor vs those teams. Most small school QB's have a lot of success when given the chance to play against a Power 5 team.

Wentz played well against them, Jimmy G, Flacco...

Josh Allen hasn't even been close. Dude is a massive project. He would be better off grad transferring to Wisconsin instead of declaring for the draft.
 
One fact that had changed my opinion about Allen from the offseason:

Allen was only 9-of-19 for 92 yards with a touchdown against a college team called the Rainbow Warriors.

Now I've seen some Hawaiians who can play football before but... how often have you heard about a top first round QB prospect shut down by the Rainbow Warriors?
 
One fact that had changed my opinion about Allen from the offseason:

Allen was only 9-of-19 for 92 yards with a touchdown against a college team called the Rainbow Warriors.

Now I've seen some Hawaiians who can play football before but... how often have you heard about a top first round QB prospect shut down by the Rainbow Warriors?
Yeah, that's good enough for me

Consider him OFF MY BOARD
 
Lamar Jackson does not have the mental makeup to be an NFL starting quarterback.

He'd be a fine receiver.

However, this guy is not very sharp. Freshman year, he knew zero plays. None. He admitted it. He admitted to never knowing what down it is.

He's gonna learn to set protections, read an NFL defense, and digest an NFL playbook the level required to command an entire offense? Fuck no.

Right now, he's in a gimmick offense and he gets by on athleticism. The dude is a terrific athlete and has a great arm. The NFL version of a quarterback with all of the responsibility is quite a leap, guys. First overall? Huge mistake.
 
One fact that had changed my opinion about Allen from the offseason:

Allen was only 9-of-19 for 92 yards with a touchdown against a college team called the Rainbow Warriors.

Now I've seen some Hawaiians who can play football before but... how often have you heard about a top first round QB prospect shut down by the Rainbow Warriors?

I know you're joking but just to illustrate what I'm seeing with Allen and his team holding him back... (vs Hawaii)

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKcirGmk-38

0:25 - Pass goes right through his receivers' hands (15 yards)
0:39 - Put it right on his receiver's hands, bad drop (19 yards)
1:49 - Solid catch and run negated by a penalty (17 yards)
2:12 - Running back blows protection and Allen is sacked by an unblocked rusher
2:26 - WR screen is blown up before it can develop and pass is batted
2:55 - Fits a laser through a super tight window, little risky but he has the arm to make the throw... and it bounces it straight off his receiver's chest (24 yards)
5:16 - Linemen get stuck on each other and don't pick up the delayed blitzer as Allen steps up in the pocket
5:30 - Pass is contested but definitely catchable and would've gotten them close to a GW FG in regulation, third drop of the game for Johnson (25 yards)

Would've actually had a decent statline (given the volume) otherwise and notice that the plays they're missing are chunk plays 15+ yards downfield. It's hard to watch this game without feeling like his teammates almost cost Wyoming the game.

Where I saw that he was at his worst:

3:40 - Inaccurate dump pass with too much mustard
3:50 - Absolutely abysmal play... stares his receiver down the entire time then trusts his arm WAY too much and tries to fit it in. He's lucky this wasn't picksixed.
4:40 - Throws low on the run. Could've been caught but was still very poorly placed.

Not saying he's perfect (even though that dime in OT to win it was amazing), he clearly has a lot to work on but he's not getting much help either.
 
Lamar Jackson does not have the mental makeup to be an NFL starting quarterback.

He'd be a fine receiver.

However, this guy is not very sharp. Freshman year, he knew zero plays. None. He admitted it. He admitted to never knowing what down it is.

He's gonna learn to set protections, read an NFL defense, and digest an NFL playbook the level required to command an entire offense? Fuck no.

Right now, he's in a gimmick offense and he gets by on athleticism. The dude is a terrific athlete and has a great arm. The NFL version of a quarterback with all of the responsibility is quite a leap, guys. First overall? Huge mistake.

http://settingedge.com/lamar-jackson-pro-ready

Read this and tell me the guy doesn't know what the hell he is doing.

Lamar is going to be just fine. The hot takes of him being an NFL WR are absolutely insane.
 
Lamar Jackson does not have the mental makeup to be an NFL starting quarterback.

He'd be a fine receiver.

However, this guy is not very sharp. Freshman year, he knew zero plays. None. He admitted it. He admitted to never knowing what down it is.

He's gonna learn to set protections, read an NFL defense, and digest an NFL playbook the level required to command an entire offense? Fuck no.

Right now, he's in a gimmick offense and he gets by on athleticism. The dude is a terrific athlete and has a great arm. The NFL version of a quarterback with all of the responsibility is quite a leap, guys. First overall? Huge mistake.
Interesting. Source?
 
Interesting. Source?

In a few interviews last year, he mentioned it when discussing his growth. Specifically, not knowing the plays or the downs sometimes. I couldn't find those interviews, but here's a bit of a foxsports.com article in his lead up to the Heisman.

The hatred of studying football seems like a flag to me.

Yes, he's come a long way. I am just skeptical of investing a high pick in someone that still has so far to go. I'm just not sure he's capable.

Jackson didn’t know if he could reach this point. Shortly after he arrived at Louisville in the summer of 2015, he picked up his playbook. It was huge. At Boynton Beach High coach Rick Swain had drawn plays on the board. Now Jackson was expected to memorize the equivalent of an encyclopedia volume. And, says Jackson, "It was a foreign language." He would call his mother and complain. Maybe he couldn’t do this. "This is too much like studying," Jackson whined. James would hear none of it. She told him he’d never digest the playbook if he tried to swallow it whole. If he broke up his study into 30-minute chunks, he could focus on one aspect of the offense at a time.

He began learning, but not fast enough for Petrino. The Cardinals used three quarterbacks in 2015—Jackson, then-sophomores Kyle Bolin and Reggie Bonnafon. While Petrino knew Jackson had the highest ceiling, he couldn’t reasonably expect that a freshman could master his playbook in two months. "We knew that his athletic ability and his ability to throw the ball were very unique," Petrino says. "The question became, what can you teach him in a short amount of time? So we put packages together for him. And he did a really good job of understanding those packages. But you couldn’t install the whole offense."

So Jackson relied on his instincts and athleticism. "There were times last year that we’d end up calling a play, and he wouldn’t know what the play was," says quarterbacks coach Nick Petrino, Bobby’s son. "You could see from film that he’d be looking at the wrong spot. We’d have guys wide open, and he wouldn’t even know where to look."

http://www.foxsports.com/college-fo...on-became-a-heisman-trophy-frontrunner-092016

I wish I could find a few of the post-game interviews about his growth where Lamar answered himself.

He acted like he had no idea what he was doing on the field freshman year. Way more lost than the write-up above dictates.

Edit: From a 247sports article on his growth:

“I really didn't know any of the plays last year,” Jackson said. “Coach put me out there and gave me certain ones that he did think I knew. He'd put me out there, and I'd just stare down receivers. If it wasn't open, I'd just run.”


https://247sports.com/Article/How-L...struggling-student-to-Heisman-conten-47448027
 
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http://settingedge.com/lamar-jackson-pro-ready

Read this and tell me the guy doesn't know what the hell he is doing.

Lamar is going to be just fine. The hot takes of him being an NFL WR are absolutely insane.

Putting all of your stock in an article that begins by saying, "After an excellent performance against Purdue to suggest that Jackson is the best of the draft eligible QB’s" is equally insane.

Yes, yes, Purdue is quite a bench mark program. That's not even to argue with Jackson's production. He's been very productive. I just doubt his ability to do all the things necessary to be an NFL QB and NFL decision maker/leader.
 
I personally find Lamar Jackson the most electric quarterback in terms of talent, but just can’t see the transition to the NFL. He’d need to draw back his rushing dramatically with his frame, but that’s the best part of his game. Intriguing prospect, but he would get injured fast with his frame.

To me Barkley, James, and Fitzpatrick are the blue chip guys in this draft. However I think the Browns end up drafting Rosen if they get #1.
 

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