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2018 NBA Draft - June 21

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Not necessarily true...as i've said before, a guy could be top-5 on every single big board and still slip to #8.

Don't know why I said always lol. Obviously it's not always, but like I said before, the 8th pick is kind of a no man's land on most drafts. GMS alot of the times take the safe pick, take the risky player that slipped, take the guy with great measurements or the crazy athletic guy that lacks basketball skills. In the history of the NBA, other than Andre Miller, the players drafted at 8th were just role players. Not one Star/Superstar.

What about Carter? Do you think he has a lot of Red Flags? We could go super safe and pick a guy with a good floor like him. If he is not there, Mikal Bridges will likely be there.

Carter is polarizing. I don't think he has red flags, I think that we have very little info of how good he is on defense. I feel like because Duke played strictly Zone, we have no clue how good he is defending in space. From the little I have seen he didn't look so good. He basically just camped inside the paint and deterred drivers on every defensive possession. I'm not sure how his rim protection is going to translate against NBA level athletes and size. His reach and his no step vert didn't look great to me. He does have pretty good timing on his blocks so there is that.
So if his rim protection doesn't translate, I really hope he is going to look good defending in space and the PnR because if not, it's going to be a problem. It's a real shame that coach K doesn't prepare his players and teach them things that are going to be crucial in the NBA.

Offensively, I feel like he is very diverse, but i'm not sure he is great in one particular skill. Isn't very explosive as a Roll Man, doesn't catch high lobs, takes too much time to gather and doesn't explode high off of two fit when he gathers, so he gets blocked a bit too much for my liking. I noticed that he doesn't get much seperation on his hooks as well, so I wonder how he is going to fare against NBA centers as one of his best traits is his post play. He is also a bit turnover prone in the post, but that's good as well as he tries to do a lot other than just score the ball. Very willing and even accurate passer from the post.

I like is his touch from mid range and even the 3. He shows good touch despite having a bit of a slow release...good shooting form as well. I like his potential as a screener. Takes good angles and knows how to position his body. I think he has good potential as an outside-inside threat...will be able to put the ball on the floor and attack closeouts. That's a huge trait in the NBA today. Projected to be a good rebounder, strong base...doesn't necessarily have a big rebounding radius though because he lacks reach and great no step very imo. So he basically uses his strength and size to push players off their spots...(You can see the difference when compared to Bagley) is it going to be there as a 5 in the NBA? Is he going to be a good offensive rebounder in the NBA? Duke's situation was unique...their twin tower setup caused a lot of mismatches so i'm not sure how good of a rebounder he is going to be at the next level as they played against midgets.

I'm really intrigued by Carter if he could play the 4. He has a big body and stretch ptoential and I feel like playing the 4 would allow him to dominate inside and from the outside as well. 4/5 hybrid completely changes things for me.

A big who is diverse, a good rebounder and has good vision, ability and willingess to pass usually end up pretty damn impactful. He is not a sexy pick and I'm not sure where we are headed with Bigs to be honest in the current landscape of the NBA. There are quite of a few intriguing wings around that range, so I still havn't really decided where I want to slot him. Like I said, there are alot of things I like and there are some things that make me take a step back. I'm still analyzing.
 
What’s more important than who other teams have historically taken at 8 is who was available at 8. And not talking about guys like Ibaka, Draymond, or Gobert who no one expected in the lottery of their drafts.

Just in recent drafts alone you’ve had guys like Drummond, McCollum, Hayward, PG13, Klay, Kawhi, Mitchell, DeRozan, Kemba, Steven Adams, Giannis, Devin Booker, Myles Turner, and Dennis Smith Jr. available.

So the players are there. Just have to hope that we make the wise choice.
 
I'm completely comfortable with Carter's lateral mobility. Needs some work with P&R fundamentals for sure. Gets himself out of position too often. But he's great with 1-on-1 switching.
 
I do wonder, if LeBron were to leave, if Memphis might be open to trading their pick for love if the Cavs also took Parsons off their hands. The DX guys on the Woj pod said Memphis is looking to get to the playoffs as soon as possible. They can have Hood and/or Clarkson too if they need some wing depth.
 
I do wonder, if LeBron were to leave, if Memphis might be open to trading their pick for love if the Cavs also took Parsons off their hands. The DX guys on the Woj pod said Memphis is looking to get to the playoffs as soon as possible. They can have Hood and/or Clarkson too if they need some wing depth.

Would love this. Don't think Memphis would do it.

Unfortunately don't think Dan Gilbert would do that either as sad as that sounds lol.
 
What’s more important than who other teams have historically taken at 8 is who was available at 8. And not talking about guys like Ibaka, Draymond, or Gobert who no one expected in the lottery of their drafts.

Just in recent drafts alone you’ve had guys like Drummond, McCollum, Hayward, PG13, Klay, Kawhi, Mitchell, DeRozan, Kemba, Steven Adams, Giannis, Devin Booker, Myles Turner, and Dennis Smith Jr. available.

So the players are there. Just have to hope that we make the wise choice.

This is an important thing to remember for sure. The eighth pick is historically no-mans land in terms of the players that have been selected there, but it has been mostly because GMs fuck that slot up for whatever reason, not because the talent magically dries up by the #8 every year.

Just for reference, here's roughly the last two decades worth of #8 picks, along with better talents taken anywhere from ninth to eleventh right after them (and I just want to caveat by saying that Donovan Mitchell slid to thirteenth last year and I still can't believe that, but that's beside the point).

Anybody who has been an all-star is bolded.

2017: Frank Ntilikina - [Dennis Smith Jr. went 9th]
2016: Marqueese Chriss - [Jakob Poetl went 9th, Domatas Sabonis went 11th]
2015: Stanley Johnson - [Frank Kaminsky went 9th, Justise Winslow went 10th, Myles Turner went 11th]
2014: Nik Stauskas - [Elfrid Payton went 10th]
2013: Kentavious Caldwell-Pope - [C.J. McCollum went 10th]
2012: Terrence Ross - [Andre Drummond went 9th]
2011: Brandon Knight - [Kemba Walker went 9th, Klay Thompson went 11th]
2010: Al-Farouq Aminu - [Gordon Hayward went 9th, Paul George went 10th]
2009: Jordan Hill - [DeMar DeRozan went 9th]
2008: Joe Alexander - [Brook Lopez went 10th]
2007: Brendan Wright - [Joakim Noah went 9th]
2006: Rudy Gay - one of the few guys on this list that didn't suck
2005: Channing Frye - [Andrew Bynum went 10th]
2004: Rafael Araujo - [Andre Iguodala went 9th]
2003: T.J. Ford - this draft from 9-17 sucked horribly, and Ford probably would've had a nice career if injuries didn't ruin him
2002: Chris Wilcox - [Amare Stoudemire went 9th, Caron Butler went 10th]
2001: Lasagna Flop - [Joe Johnson went 10th]
2000: Jamal Crawford - one of the best picks on this list, 9-15 in this draft was horrible, mostly because this entire draft was horrible
1999: Andre Miller - [Shawn Marion went 9th, Jason Terry went 10th]
1998: Larry Hughes - [Dirk Nowitzki went 9th, Paul Pierce went 10th]
1997: Adonal Foyle - [Tracy McGrady went 9th]

Just look at that (look at 1998!!). There's plenty of talent available after eight. GMs have historically just fucked it up. Hopefully we don't add a loser name to this list.
 
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What do you think of Kevin Huerter?

I've like him a lot. I don't even think he played that great in the scrimmage by his standards. He can pass pretty well and is a decent athlete. Not a bad defender either. Primary weakness is he can't create anything really.

Not sure he comes out, but I'd have him top 20 easily.
 
This is an important thing to remember for sure. The eighth pick is historically no-mans land in terms of the players that have been selected there, but it has been mostly because GMs fuck that slot up for whatever reason, not because the talent magically dries up by the #8 every year.

Just for reference, here's roughly the last two decades worth of #8 picks, along with better talents taken anywhere from ninth to eleventh right after them (and I just want to caveat by saying that Donovan Mitchell slid to thirteenth last year and I still can't believe that, but that's beside the point).

Anybody who has been an all-star is bolded.

2017: Frank Ntilikina - [Dennis Smith Jr. went 9th]
2016: Marqueese Chriss - [Jakob Poetl went 9th, Domatas Sabonis went 11th]
2015: Stanley Johnson - [Frank Kaminsky went 9th, Justise Winslow went 10th, Myles Turner went 11th]
2014: Nik Stauskas - [Elfrid Payton went 10th]
2013: Kentavious Caldwell-Pope - [C.J. McCollum went 10th]
2012: Terrence Ross - [Andre Drummond went 9th]
2011: Brandon Knight - [Kemba Walker went 9th, Klay Thompson went 11th]
2010: Al-Farouq Aminu - [Gordon Hayward went 9th, Paul George went 10th]
2009: Jordan Hill - [DeMar DeRozan went 9th]
2008: Joe Alexander - [Brook Lopez went 10th]
2007: Brendan Wright - [Joakim Noah went 9th]
2006: Rudy Gay - one of the few guys on this list that didn't suck
2005: Channing Frye - [Andrew Bynum went 10th]
2004: Rafael Araujo - [Andre Iguodala went 9th]
2003: T.J. Ford - this draft from 9-17 sucked horribly, and Ford probably would've had a nice career if injuries didn't ruin him
2002: Chris Wilcox - [Amare Stoudemire went 9th, Caron Butler went 10th]
2001: Lasagna Flop - [Joe Johnson went 10th]
2000: Jamal Crawford - one of the best picks on this list, 9-15 in this draft was horrible, mostly because this entire draft was horrible
1999: Andre Miller - [Shawn Marion went 9th, Jason Terry went 10th]
1998: Larry Hughes - [Dirk Nowitzki went 9th, Paul Pierce went 10th]
1997: Adonal Foyle - [Tracy McGrady went 9th]

Just look at that (look at 1998!!). There's plenty of talent available after eight. GMs have historically just fucked it up. Hopefully we don't add a loser name to this list.

It's never about talent...like you said, there is always players to be had. It's just that it's a spot where GMs fuck up. It's the fucking worst.
 
I do wonder, if LeBron were to leave, if Memphis might be open to trading their pick for love if the Cavs also took Parsons off their hands. The DX guys on the Woj pod said Memphis is looking to get to the playoffs as soon as possible. They can have Hood and/or Clarkson too if they need some wing depth.

It would have to be an either/or scenario I would think. No way we take on that much money and send them Love, but I could see us doing one of the two.
 
I've like him a lot. I don't even think he played that great in the scrimmage by his standards. He can pass pretty well and is a decent athlete. Not a bad defender either. Primary weakness is he can't create anything really.

Not sure he comes out, but I'd have him top 20 easily.

He is mirror image of Klay Thomspon. I don't like that his steal and even his FT% is kinda low compared to Klay.

He shoots the NBA 3 effortlessly and on a much higher volume than Mikal.
 
It would have to be an either/or scenario I would think. No way we take on that much money and send them Love, but I could see us doing one of the two.

Well, I highly doubt they'd give up the 4th pick for Love, hence taking on Parsons. I could definitely see Memphis swayed by that.
 
He is mirror image of Klay Thomspon. I don't like that his steal and even his FT% is kinda low compared to Klay.

He shoots the NBA 3 effortlessly and on a much higher volume than Mikal.

He's got great range already so I'm not worried about the FT% being an indicator of regression in shooting. As far as struggles from the FT line in itself, he rarely gets there anyway haha. It is really weird though he was avg there.

Don't denigrate my boy Mikal now though lol.

I think there's still a good chance Huerter goes back to Maryland too. I think he's a possible lottery pick next year for sure.
 
If LeBron leaves, I'd definitely swap Love for Parsons + #4.

Jordan Clarkson and Chandler Parsons would be two of the greatest tank commanders in league history. We'd only have him under contract for 2-years, $49.2 million. I'd gladly swallow that poison pill deal if it meant we were picking fourth and eighth in this loaded draft.

We won't be competing while Parsons is here anyways, and if he regains any kind of form at all while being one of our focal points on offense (it pains me to think that Chandler Parsons could be a focal point on this team if LBJ leaves), then he is a huge expiring in 2019-2020.

Being able to build around:
- Osman
- Zizic
- Nance
- #4 & #8 overall in a loaded draft

Would have us in a far better position than we were in when LeBron left the first time.
 
Well, I highly doubt they'd give up the 4th pick for Love, hence taking on Parsons. I could definitely see Memphis swayed by that.

Oops misread your post. Thought we were offering the #8 to move up as well. If it's just love for Parsons/#4, count me in.
 

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