2019 Browns Off Season/Roster Discussion

[dark2332]

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Landry and OBJ are like twitter vultures jumping on any decent player that wants to leave their team.

Its weird that there Browns, but I like it, lol.

Obviously, you don’t want all the players these two recruit...

...but I sure love that they are out there fighting the good fight.

 

[adam81king]

Obviously, you don’t want all the players these two recruit...

...but I sure love that they are out there fighting the good fight.

What player have they “recruited” that you wouldn’t want? I’m not asking about cap purposes, but who would you “kick out of bed” if they said they wanted to be a Brown?

 

[dark2332]

What player have they “recruited” that you wouldn’t want? I’m not asking about cap purposes, but who would you “kick out of bed” if they said they wanted to be a Brown?

Well, Juice recruited Le’Veon Bell, who made zero sense given us having Chubb cost-controlled.

 

[AZ_]

What player have they “recruited” that you wouldn’t want? I’m not asking about cap purposes, but who would you “kick out of bed” if they said they wanted to be a Brown?

I mean, I wouldn’t pay Chris Harris the $15 million he wants tbh. That would be a bit borderline.

 

[Jordan]

I mean, I wouldn’t pay Chris Harris the $15 million he wants tbh. That would be a bit borderline.

He's gotten worse each of the past two years. No thank you. This fits the age curve for NFL CBs, too. Corners generally play at an elite level up until 26/27, stay as good players through 27/28, decline rapidly, and by the time they are 32 are generally below replacement level players.

Obviously this is for your average corner. It is a bit different for studs like Harris. But still, my guess is Harris's best years are behind him, and that the decline occurs relatively quickly.

 

[Triplethreat]

Now we don’t want Chris Harris.

One of the best slot CB’s in the league

 

[FrontPageNews]

Now we don’t want Chris Harris.

One of the best slot CB’s in the league

We have to roll over as much cap as possible for next year to resign guys or we’ll be over the cap. So 15M and whatever guarantees it would take may not be worth it. And the draft pick isn’t worth it for a 30 year old cb who will fall off a cliff in 2 years.

 

[adam81king]

I mean, I wouldn’t pay Chris Harris the $15 million he wants tbh. That would be a bit borderline.

“I’m not asking about cap purposes...”

 

[dark2332]

Now we don’t want Chris Harris.

One of the best slot CB’s in the league

You can’t just spend every dollar we’ve ever earned. We have to pick and choose where to and a 30 year old slot corner isn’t it.

I thought you were supposedly an accountant.

 

[Triplethreat]

You can’t just spend every dollar we’ve ever earned. We have to pick and choose where to and a 30 year old slot corner isn’t it.

I thought you were supposedly an accountant.

It would be a front loaded contract which you could cut ties on in a couple years for minimal cap hit.

I’m not really worried about re-signing our key guys at all. You can always find ways to open cap room in the NFL.

 

[Jordan]

It would be a front loaded contract which you could cut ties on in a couple years for minimal cap hit.

I’m not really worried about re-signing our key guys at all. You can always find ways to open cap room in the NFL.

So, just to clarify:

You want to send a second round pick to Denver for a rapidly declining #2 CB that we’ll cut in two years?

Also, no, it’s not easy to find cap in the NFL. That’s literally why teams spend and draft like they do before their QBs get to the second contract.

 

[Triplethreat]

So, just to clarify:

You want to send a second round pick to Denver for a rapidly declining #2 CB that we’ll cut in two years?

Also, no, it’s not easy to find cap in the NFL. That’s literally why teams spend and draft like they do before their QBs get to the second contract.

Harris won’t be under contract by the time Baker is up.

And sure as FUCK will not command a 2nd round pick. Where are you getting that info from?

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

It would be a front loaded contract which you could cut ties on in a couple years for minimal cap hit.

I’m not really worried about re-signing our key guys at all. You can always find ways to open cap room in the NFL.

Harris won’t be under contract by the time Baker is up.

The front-loading gimmick is more or less irrelevant at this point. We're eating into money we'd otherwise roll-over anyway. So if you sign a new guy and front load him money, that just means you have that much less money to front load other contracts down the road. Because of rollover, the money is all truly coming from the same pot.

Between trading for highly-paid players and signing free agents, Dorsey actually went on a rather massive spending spree this offseason. Arguably, we've already got too much money tied up in players other than primary edge rusher, left tackle, No. 1 corner, and QB, and the only reason we could afford that is because we have those critical positions for cheap. But the day is going to come when we have to pony up for those guys, and any money we can roll over into those future seasons is going to be badly needed.

I don't blame Dorsey for what he did -- I think he made the right call in spending bucks now. But we really need to start spending smart from now on.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

“I’m not asking about cap purposes...”

I understand your point, but it's a rather pointless discussion if we ignore cap purposes.

 

[Triplethreat]

The front-loading gimmick is more or less irrelevant at this point. We're eating into money we'd otherwise roll-over anyway. So if you sign a new guy and front load him money, that just means you have that much less money to front load other contracts down the road. Because of rollover, the money is all truly coming from the same pot.

Between trading for highly-paid players and signing free agents, Dorsey actually went on a rather massive spending spree this offseason. Arguably, we've already got too much money tied up in players other than primary edge rusher, left tackle, No. 1 corner, and QB, and the only reason we could afford that is because we have those critical positions for cheap. But the day is going to come when we have to pony up for those guys, andany money we can roll over into those future seasons is going to be badly needed.

I don't blame Dorsey for what he did -- I think he made the right call in spending bucks now. But we really need to start spending smart from now on.

I think Harris is smart spending.

Considering our top CB was a rookie last year and you don’t have to spend on him for a while.

Adding an elite slot guy to massively help us in our window. Which is absolutely right now, is a good idea to me. Especially when you can cut ties with him in 2-3 years when you have to start making the decisions on who needs to be paid from our young core.