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2019 Browns Off Season/Roster Discussion

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Landry
Callaway
Njoku
Hunt
Higgins
Perriman
Ratley
Strong

A lot of teams would love having Baker throwing to these guys.
 
Bill Barnwell of ESPN.com has a piece out today on what each AFC team should do this offseason. Here's his excerpt for the Browns:

Cleveland Browns
1. Lock up Damarious Randall and Joe Schobert. The Browns don't have any free agents who would justify the franchise tag, but they have a pair of key contributors hitting free agency next season in Randall and Schobert, two building blocks for the defense. They're both every-down contributors when healthy, and with $78.6 million in cap space, there's no reason for GM John Dorsey to delay locking up the heart of his defense for years to come.

If the Browns want to clear up cash, they could cut Jamie Collins, who doesn't play in nickel packages when Schobert and Christian Kirksey are healthy. Releasing Collins would save $10.5 million in cash and create $9.3 million in cap space. The Browns could insert Genard Avery, who flashed as a fifth-round pick, into the starting lineup for Collins.

2. Go after Trent Brown. After losing future Hall of Famer Joe Thomas to retirement, the Browns started the year with undrafted free agent Desmond Harrison at left tackle. Harrison struggled during the first half of the season, was scratched with an illness before Week 9, and didn't play another snap the rest of the way. They turned to former Rams tackle Greg Robinson, who delivered the best half-year of his pro career. Stats LLC suggests he didn't allow a single sack in his eight starts, although the 2014 second overall pick did commit six holding penalties.

Should the Browns bring back Robinson? Sure, if the price is right. Should they stop there? Absolutely not. They have the cap space to go after the best tackle on the market, and that's Brown, the Patriots left tackle who was impressive in his first season on the left side after starting his career as a right tackle for the 49ers. The 6-foot-8, 380-pound Brown certainly has the size to play on the blind side, and if Cleveland is going to invest serious money anywhere, left tackle makes the most sense. Dorsey, who used his first selection as a GM to draft Eric Fisher with the first overall pick for the Chiefs, isn't going to ignore the line.

3. Add another edge rusher. The Browns have an absolute stud in Myles Garrett. After that, things get murkier. Larry Ogunjobi has flashed as a promising interior disruptor, although he slowed down as last season went on. Avery racked up 4.5 sacks and 14 quarterback knockdowns, but nobody else topped four sacks or eight knockdowns last season. Emmanuel Ogbah looked like he might be a future difference-maker as a rookie, but the 2016 second-rounder has just seven sacks and 13 knockdowns over 24 subsequent starts, missing time with a broken foot and an ankle injury.

The Browns could use a second pass-rusher to play across from Garrett and scare opposing offensive coordinators. I think the Chiefs are likely to cut Justin Houston, and it might make sense for him to be reunited with Dorsey, even if new defensive coordinator Steve Wilks will be running a 4-3 as his base defense in Cleveland. The Browns ranked 25th against the run last season, so they might also look for a solid two-way veteran like Brandon Graham of the Eagles. Dorsey has four top-100 picks in a draft full of edge help, so it wouldn't shock me if the team invested one of its top selections in a defensive end.

4. Find help next to Ogunjobi. I want the Browns to sign Ndamukong Suh. They need someone who can punish opposing teams for doubling Garrett and have $71 million in cap space. Suh is 32, but the Nebraska product hasn't missed a game to injury in his career. He has been a steady interior presence, and this might be his last chance at getting a multiyear deal. A three-year, $45 million deal with $30 million in guarantees could make both sides happy. Also, it would make me happy.

5. Sign a deep threat. The core of Baker Mayfield's receiving corps is set with Jarvis Landry and David Njoku. Antonio Callaway fell in the draft because of many serious off-field concerns, but he appeared to stay on the straight and narrow during his rookie season. The 21-year-old was stretched as a No. 2 wideout in 2019, and while he still has plenty of time to develop, the Browns started to carve out a role in the second half for Ravens castoff Breshad Perriman, whose speed stretched opposing defenses.

Cleveland could choose to bring back the free-agent Perriman, but it has room to upgrade and find a more consistent deep threat to serve as a contrast to Landry's short and intermediate work. Dorsey traded a draft pick to the Dolphins to acquire Landry, and you wonder whether he might go back to Miami to make a move for Kenny Stills, who wouldn't have much utility on a rebuilding Dolphins team. Cleveland also could make a move in free agency for John Brown, who was impressive in the first half with the Ravens in 2018.
 
Kiddo said:
Landry
Callaway
Njoku
Hunt
Higgins
Perriman
Ratley
Strong

A lot of teams would love having Baker throwing to these guys.
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Perriman is a free agent
Ratley is a question mark
Hunt will play maybe 6 games or so, but you could put Duke in there
Strong wont make the team most likely.

I think we are fin if we bring back Perriman and maybe sign another vet to battle Strong to make the roster. Also I wouldn't mind drafting one more stud TE's as I love the TE position when you have a speed guy there because it gives you so much flexibility and mismatches when used properly.
 
NorthCoastBias said:
Bill Barnwell of ESPN.com has a piece out today on what each AFC team should do this offseason. Here's his excerpt for the Browns:
As much as I can't stand Suh, it would be pretty crazy having him out there with Myles . . .
Cleveland Browns
1. Lock up Damarious Randall and Joe Schobert. The Browns don't have any free agents who would justify the franchise tag, but they have a pair of key contributors hitting free agency next season in Randall and Schobert, two building blocks for the defense. They're both every-down contributors when healthy, and with $78.6 million in cap space, there's no reason for GM John Dorsey to delay locking up the heart of his defense for years to come.

If the Browns want to clear up cash, they could cut Jamie Collins, who doesn't play in nickel packages when Schobert and Christian Kirksey are healthy. Releasing Collins would save $10.5 million in cash and create $9.3 million in cap space. The Browns could insert Genard Avery, who flashed as a fifth-round pick, into the starting lineup for Collins.

2. Go after Trent Brown. After losing future Hall of Famer Joe Thomas to retirement, the Browns started the year with undrafted free agent Desmond Harrison at left tackle. Harrison struggled during the first half of the season, was scratched with an illness before Week 9, and didn't play another snap the rest of the way. They turned to former Rams tackle Greg Robinson, who delivered the best half-year of his pro career. Stats LLC suggests he didn't allow a single sack in his eight starts, although the 2014 second overall pick did commit six holding penalties.

Should the Browns bring back Robinson? Sure, if the price is right. Should they stop there? Absolutely not. They have the cap space to go after the best tackle on the market, and that's Brown, the Patriots left tackle who was impressive in his first season on the left side after starting his career as a right tackle for the 49ers. The 6-foot-8, 380-pound Brown certainly has the size to play on the blind side, and if Cleveland is going to invest serious money anywhere, left tackle makes the most sense. Dorsey, who used his first selection as a GM to draft Eric Fisher with the first overall pick for the Chiefs, isn't going to ignore the line.

3. Add another edge rusher. The Browns have an absolute stud in Myles Garrett. After that, things get murkier. Larry Ogunjobi has flashed as a promising interior disruptor, although he slowed down as last season went on. Avery racked up 4.5 sacks and 14 quarterback knockdowns, but nobody else topped four sacks or eight knockdowns last season. Emmanuel Ogbah looked like he might be a future difference-maker as a rookie, but the 2016 second-rounder has just seven sacks and 13 knockdowns over 24 subsequent starts, missing time with a broken foot and an ankle injury.

The Browns could use a second pass-rusher to play across from Garrett and scare opposing offensive coordinators. I think the Chiefs are likely to cut Justin Houston, and it might make sense for him to be reunited with Dorsey, even if new defensive coordinator Steve Wilks will be running a 4-3 as his base defense in Cleveland. The Browns ranked 25th against the run last season, so they might also look for a solid two-way veteran like Brandon Graham of the Eagles. Dorsey has four top-100 picks in a draft full of edge help, so it wouldn't shock me if the team invested one of its top selections in a defensive end.

4. Find help next to Ogunjobi. I want the Browns to sign Ndamukong Suh. They need someone who can punish opposing teams for doubling Garrett and have $71 million in cap space. Suh is 32, but the Nebraska product hasn't missed a game to injury in his career. He has been a steady interior presence, and this might be his last chance at getting a multiyear deal. A three-year, $45 million deal with $30 million in guarantees could make both sides happy. Also, it would make me happy.

5. Sign a deep threat. The core of Baker Mayfield's receiving corps is set with Jarvis Landry and David Njoku. Antonio Callaway fell in the draft because of many serious off-field concerns, but he appeared to stay on the straight and narrow during his rookie season. The 21-year-old was stretched as a No. 2 wideout in 2019, and while he still has plenty of time to develop, the Browns started to carve out a role in the second half for Ravens castoff Breshad Perriman, whose speed stretched opposing defenses.

Cleveland could choose to bring back the free-agent Perriman, but it has room to upgrade and find a more consistent deep threat to serve as a contrast to Landry's short and intermediate work. Dorsey traded a draft pick to the Dolphins to acquire Landry, and you wonder whether he might go back to Miami to make a move for Kenny Stills, who wouldn't have much utility on a rebuilding Dolphins team. Cleveland also could make a move in free agency for John Brown, who was impressive in the first half with the Ravens in 2018.
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Tavon Young about to get $26 mil from Ravens. Carr and Jimmy Smith have significant salaries. Ravens need to beef up other positions and have Humphrey.. think Smith becomes cap casualty? Thoughts on him? Graded out same as Terrance Mitchell per PFF fwiw.
 
NorthCoastBias said:
Bill Barnwell of ESPN.com has a piece out today on what each AFC team should do this offseason. Here's his excerpt for the Browns:

Cleveland Browns
1. Lock up Damarious Randall and Joe Schobert. The Browns don't have any free agents who would justify the franchise tag, but they have a pair of key contributors hitting free agency next season in Randall and Schobert, two building blocks for the defense. They're both every-down contributors when healthy, and with $78.6 million in cap space, there's no reason for GM John Dorsey to delay locking up the heart of his defense for years to come.

If the Browns want to clear up cash, they could cut Jamie Collins, who doesn't play in nickel packages when Schobert and Christian Kirksey are healthy. Releasing Collins would save $10.5 million in cash and create $9.3 million in cap space. The Browns could insert Genard Avery, who flashed as a fifth-round pick, into the starting lineup for Collins.

2. Go after Trent Brown. After losing future Hall of Famer Joe Thomas to retirement, the Browns started the year with undrafted free agent Desmond Harrison at left tackle. Harrison struggled during the first half of the season, was scratched with an illness before Week 9, and didn't play another snap the rest of the way. They turned to former Rams tackle Greg Robinson, who delivered the best half-year of his pro career. Stats LLC suggests he didn't allow a single sack in his eight starts, although the 2014 second overall pick did commit six holding penalties.

Should the Browns bring back Robinson? Sure, if the price is right. Should they stop there? Absolutely not. They have the cap space to go after the best tackle on the market, and that's Brown, the Patriots left tackle who was impressive in his first season on the left side after starting his career as a right tackle for the 49ers. The 6-foot-8, 380-pound Brown certainly has the size to play on the blind side, and if Cleveland is going to invest serious money anywhere, left tackle makes the most sense. Dorsey, who used his first selection as a GM to draft Eric Fisher with the first overall pick for the Chiefs, isn't going to ignore the line.

3. Add another edge rusher. The Browns have an absolute stud in Myles Garrett. After that, things get murkier. Larry Ogunjobi has flashed as a promising interior disruptor, although he slowed down as last season went on. Avery racked up 4.5 sacks and 14 quarterback knockdowns, but nobody else topped four sacks or eight knockdowns last season. Emmanuel Ogbah looked like he might be a future difference-maker as a rookie, but the 2016 second-rounder has just seven sacks and 13 knockdowns over 24 subsequent starts, missing time with a broken foot and an ankle injury.

The Browns could use a second pass-rusher to play across from Garrett and scare opposing offensive coordinators. I think the Chiefs are likely to cut Justin Houston, and it might make sense for him to be reunited with Dorsey, even if new defensive coordinator Steve Wilks will be running a 4-3 as his base defense in Cleveland. The Browns ranked 25th against the run last season, so they might also look for a solid two-way veteran like Brandon Graham of the Eagles. Dorsey has four top-100 picks in a draft full of edge help, so it wouldn't shock me if the team invested one of its top selections in a defensive end.

4. Find help next to Ogunjobi. I want the Browns to sign Ndamukong Suh. They need someone who can punish opposing teams for doubling Garrett and have $71 million in cap space. Suh is 32, but the Nebraska product hasn't missed a game to injury in his career. He has been a steady interior presence, and this might be his last chance at getting a multiyear deal. A three-year, $45 million deal with $30 million in guarantees could make both sides happy. Also, it would make me happy.

5. Sign a deep threat. The core of Baker Mayfield's receiving corps is set with Jarvis Landry and David Njoku. Antonio Callaway fell in the draft because of many serious off-field concerns, but he appeared to stay on the straight and narrow during his rookie season. The 21-year-old was stretched as a No. 2 wideout in 2019, and while he still has plenty of time to develop, the Browns started to carve out a role in the second half for Ravens castoff Breshad Perriman, whose speed stretched opposing defenses.

Cleveland could choose to bring back the free-agent Perriman, but it has room to upgrade and find a more consistent deep threat to serve as a contrast to Landry's short and intermediate work. Dorsey traded a draft pick to the Dolphins to acquire Landry, and you wonder whether he might go back to Miami to make a move for Kenny Stills, who wouldn't have much utility on a rebuilding Dolphins team. Cleveland also could make a move in free agency for John Brown, who was impressive in the first half with the Ravens in 2018.
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I'd prioritize 1, then 2, then 4, although I'm not sure I'd want Suh. Ogbah was hurt for a lot of the year, as was Ogunjobi. But even if Ogunjobi is healthy, there's still a starting spot next to him that could be filled, which is why I'd prioritize that over replacing Ogbah.

5. Kenny Stills??? I'd rather have Perriman in a heartbeat.
 
The Human Q-Tip said:
I'd prioritize 1, then 2, then 4, although I'm not sure I'd want Suh. Ogbah was hurt for a lot of the year, as was Ogunjobi. But even if Ogunjobi is healthy, there's still a starting spot next to him that could be filled, which is why I'd prioritize that over replacing Ogbah.

5. Kenny Stills??? I'd rather have Perriman in a heartbeat.
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Same thing I thought. I thought Perriman for the first time was actually getting a shot to learn and work with a competent QB. When considering Landry is our #1, then Higgins and Calloway are #2,#3 (pick em at this point, but eventually Calloway's talent will be there), we are only asking Perriman to be a #4 wr. I know Ricardo is going to be healthy, and he could have a Higgins type improvement, but I am assuming he wont at this point.
 
The Human Q-Tip said:
I'd prioritize 1, then 2, then 4, although I'm not sure I'd want Suh. Ogbah was hurt for a lot of the year, as was Ogunjobi. But even if Ogunjobi is healthy, there's still a starting spot next to him that could be filled, which is why I'd prioritize that over replacing Ogbah.

5. Kenny Stills??? I'd rather have Perriman in a heartbeat.
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It's been said, but Dorsey was so good building the foundation of the team, we as Browns fans find ourselves rewiring how we approach an offseason discussion. In previous years, the challenge was identifying what on the team was worth keeping. In just one offseason, we are talking about a very good team trying to figure out how to be a great team.

Barnwell identifies areas the Browns had some replacement level players who found success filling gaps around the core pieces. I agree with you securing the core pieces, like Schobert and Randall, is the top priority. How they go about filling in the gaps - either with the draft or elite free agents - is all just finding ways to take a good team and make it great. The hard part, however, is behind us finally.
 
Lee said:
Same thing I thought. I thought Perriman for the first time was actually getting a shot to learn and work with a competent QB. When considering Landry is our #1, then Higgins and Calloway are #2,#3 (pick em at this point, but eventually Calloway's talent will be there), we are only asking Perriman to be a #4 wr. I know Ricardo is going to be healthy, and he could have a Higgins type improvement, but I am assuming he wont at this point.
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it's kinda unusual for us when the QB position is actually filled and we can now actually discuss these sort of things without that hanging over our heard.

I remember in years past when the coach. front office kept ignoring the position. To the point where Grossi would be there on Day 2 of the draft going "Guys. WTF. Why?"
 
John Dorsey clearly gives no fucks.

Really good player, though.
 
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