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2019 Browns Off Season/Roster Discussion

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The PFF article seemed more speculative than anything. By all accounts, Seattle is going to use the franchise tag on Clark.
 
It's been said, but Dorsey was so good building the foundation of the team, we as Browns fans find ourselves rewiring how we approach an offseason discussion. In previous years, the challenge was identifying what on the team was worth keeping. In just one offseason, we are talking about a very good team trying to figure out how to be a great team.

Barnwell identifies areas the Browns had some replacement level players who found success filling gaps around the core pieces. I agree with you securing the core pieces, like Schobert and Randall, is the top priority. How they go about filling in the gaps - either with the draft or elite free agents - is all just finding ways to take a good team and make it great. The hard part, however, is behind us finally.

What's really impressive is how we've taken successful flyers on guys like Robinson and Perriman. Those kind of things never used to work out for us. In contrast, The Pats have perpetuated a dynasty by having some core guys, then picking up guys undervalued by other teams and making them produce. Even the "questionable character" guys have done better in N.E..

A huge part of that is culture. If the football dynamic around the team is good enough, it has a way of focusing and motivating guys for whom that is sometimes a problem. What is truly amazing is that we seem to have taken a huge step in that direction in just one season. Guys want to come here because we're perceived as a fun team that is on the rise. So I'm not sure if it is that we're taking flyers on the right guys...or we just have a much better environment once they get here. Probably both.

Dorsey obviously gets the lion's share of the credit for bringing in the right guys, but Mayfield has just been a huge part of changing the way the Browns are viewed around the league. And not only for his on the field stuff. The guy has been saying/doing all the right things outside the field to make this a more attractive destination. He just had that weird "it" thing that makes other guys like him, and want to be around him.

Hee hee.
 
John Dorsey clearly gives no fucks.

Really good player, though.

So the fish tank comment to the reporter was just bad, some of these players need to learn how to insult better, lol

The domestic dispute his senior year doesn't seem bad to me. He didn't comment, her story went on police report. They were lying on bed, they started arguing, she threw a remote at him and hit him in the face, he tried to restrain her on the bed from throwing things, she bit his nose, he slapped her back and she fell into a lamp, he started to leave and she threw something else at her.

I know never hit a woman, but he took one swing in defense, not sure where it stops becoming domestic violence for the man and is defending himself. I really have no problem at the one swing or slap to create distance when the women even admits throwing things. You are allowed to alteast defend your self so you con get away relatively unharmed.

There is a reason the charges were drop. She had a welt, he had a bit mark and bleeding from the nose when cops arrived. She admitted to throwing the first punch or in this case remote and he only slapped her in response to her biting his nose.

I mean I actually applaud the guy for leaving and waiting for the cops to arrive. The cops said he as calm and didn't resist when the arrived.
 
What's really impressive is how we've taken successful flyers on guys like Robinson and Perriman. Those kind of things never used to work out for us. In contrast, The Pats have perpetuated a dynasty by having some core guys, then picking up guys undervalued by other teams and making them produce. Even the "questionable character" guys have done better in N.E..

A huge part of that is culture. If the football dynamic around the team is good enough, it has a way of focusing and motivating guys for whom that is sometimes a problem. What is truly amazing is that we seem to have taken a huge step in that direction in just one season. Guys want to come here because we're perceived as a fun team that is on the rise. So I'm not sure if it is that we're taking flyers on the right guys...or we just have a much better environment once they get here. Probably both.

Dorsey obviously gets the lion's share of the credit for bringing in the right guys, but Mayfield has just been a huge part of changing the way the Browns are viewed around the league. And not only for his on the field stuff. The guy has been saying/doing all the right things outside the field to make this a more attractive destination. He just had that weird "it" thing that makes other guys like him, and want to be around him.

Hee hee.

I really, really wish for this reason Joe Thomas was still part of the team. He was such a culture guy. I get we don't need Robinson if we had Joe, but you take Baker's fire and Joe's calm and complete respect of everyone in the entire league, and it would have been an even better culture.

That said you are dead on, we are building the culture of a winning organization. You cant make a team of choir boys, just doesn't exist in the NFL, the Myles garret or Reggie Whites of the league are very rare, but you can make a culture where the people that have had off field issues learn how to control themselves so they can make a good living on the field.
 
So the fish tank comment to the reporter was just bad, some of these players need to learn how to insult better, lol

The domestic dispute his senior year doesn't seem bad to me. He didn't comment, her story went on police report. They were lying on bed, they started arguing, she threw a remote at him and hit him in the face, he tried to restrain her on the bed from throwing things, she bit his nose, he slapped her back and she fell into a lamp, he started to leave and she threw something else at her.

I know never hit a woman, but he took one swing in defense, not sure where it stops becoming domestic violence for the man and is defending himself. I really have no problem at the one swing or slap to create distance when the women even admits throwing things. You are allowed to alteast defend your self so you con get away relatively unharmed.

There is a reason the charges were drop. She had a welt, he had a bit mark and bleeding from the nose when cops arrived. She admitted to throwing the first punch or in this case remote and he only slapped her in response to her biting his nose.

I mean I actually applaud the guy for leaving and waiting for the cops to arrive. The cops said he as calm and didn't resist when the arrived.
Thanks for the context, I actually didn't even know that. I just know that he got kicked out of Michigan due to DV...the home invasion/theft felony a couple years prior probably had him on thin ice.
 
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Thanks for the context, I actually didn't even know that. I just know that he got kicked out of Michigan due to DV...the home invasion/theft felony a couple years prior probably had him on thin ice.

I read the report, there was also alcohol involved. He has had zero incidences since becoming pro from what I can tell.
 
Frank Clark is a bad guy, but John Dorsey's motto is "if it happened before you got here, it didn't happen!" so it certainly makes sense.
 
Frank Clark is a bad guy, but John Dorsey's motto is "if it happened before you got here, it didn't happen!" so it certainly makes sense.

Why is he a bad dude?
 
Load up with these woman beaters baby!

I support it, the browns have STUNK. Maybe gettin some guys with toughness is what they need!

Masculinity!
 

So one incedent. Theft. Bad move, young kid.

Domestic violence charge isn’t domestic violence conviction. The specifics were reviewed by Q.

Tweeting at that reporter doesn’t bother me, it’s just immature. A bad look for sure.

I guess that makes me a guy who likes winning? I don’t even know this player, but I can’t hold a charge against him, and his other offense wasn’t enough for me to call him a bad dude. I am undecided. I guess that qualifies as blinders these days.
 

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