I don't care too much about the exact height he is, but it's important to me that he's capable of having games like 10 boards and 3 blocks vs. Buffalo. There are a lot of 6'8" guys who'll never get 10 boards or 3 blocks in a game, let alone both at the same time. I'd rather have a 6'6" guy who uses his physical tools to their max potential than a 6'8" guy who doesn't.
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I don't care too much about the exact height he is, but it's important to me that he's capable of having games like 10 boards and 3 blocks vs. Buffalo. There are a lot of 6'8" guys who'll never get 10 boards or 3 blocks in a game, let alone both at the same time. I'd rather have a 6'6" guy who uses his physical tools to their max potential than a 6'8" guy who doesn't.
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yeah but isn't a 6'8" that does that and can fill the stat sheet more interesting than a do everything sg? I like him a lot. I am just wondering if I want him over RJ or Morant. He is in that tier to me. I do think he has offensive upside, but maybe not as a #1.
I completely agree that the same offensive skills become increasingly interesting the bigger the player is. I'm just saying that you can learn a lot more about how big Culver is by watching him play and by looking at his rebound/block numbers than by looking at his combine measurements. To me, he's a guy who will be a plus defender at SG or SF, and neutral or somewhat negative at PF because he doesn't seem to have great lower body strength or rim protecting instincts. I think that'll probably be my stance on draft night too regardless of what height he measures at the combine.
EDIT: Also agree that I'm not completely sold on RJ/Morant 2/3 (in either order). RJ's problems are well documented...Morant, for his part, has serious issues on defense and just set the single-season NCAA record for turnovers. Much, much bigger weaknesses than you'd typically be comfortable with in a top-3 pick.
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He's a vastly superior prospect to KM.
I can generally see the body type / movement comparison but I think their skillsets are pretty different.
Culver does have isolation and P&R upside that I don't think Middleton does......who's more of a traditional off ball scorer.
The funniest comparison I saw, when I was reading stuff about Culver was "What Evan Turner was supposed to be."
So if you envision a better version of Evan Turner, that is a pretty good player....at least to me.
Some of that point forward skill, coupled with Culver's defensive potential would be a great outcome in this draft to me, outside the top 3.
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See I think he could totally play the 4 in the future. He looks to me like he can put on some weight and has a good frame. His defensive IQ is advanced for his age, and I still think that is more important defensively than what his calves looks like right now. Because he doesn't have super explosion, I think he will be better off getting stronger than trying to get quicker.
Sure, I totally agree. I said he could be a neutral defensive player at PF, which is certainly not the end of the world because he could be one of the very best offensive PFs in the league. I just can't envision him being a top-10 defensive PF in the league the same way I can envision him being a top-10 defensive SG/SF in the league.
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I was listening to the Ringer NBA Show today, they had someone in attendance for Culver's last tourney game and they're saying that Culver is 6'5. Good listen if anyone is interested, one of the guys see's Culver as a smaller Gordon Hayward and they explored the idea if he could maybe play PG in the NBA. They mentioned his ability to guard smaller players and score on smaller players, plus his passing/IQ as reasons he could be good in that role. If he could, sounds like he would be a great backcourt mate with Sexton.
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Do they have any evidence that he's 6'5"? Because he sure looks more like 6'6"-6'7", and that seems to be the consensus.
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No definitive proof, just that he is shorter than Charles Matthews, the guard from Michigan, and Matthews is listed as 6'6.
I guess I don't feel strongly enough to make a counterargument...all I can say is I've heard people make the case that he's 6'5" and I've heard people make the case that he's 6'8" all within the last few weeks. How can there be so much disagreement over how tall a guy is? It's just crazy...the most likely case, IMO, is that he measures 6'6" or 6'7" but who the hell knows.
First attempt at a big board. Divide between tiers 4 and 5 is rough, but reflects approximately where I start looking at guys as potential roleplayers as opposed to potential stars, with a handful of exceptions.
1. Zion
2.2. Barrett
2.3. Morant
3.4. Bitadze
3.5. Williams
3.6. Culver
3.7. Horton-Tucker
4.8. Jones
4.9. Ponds
4.10. Bol
4.11. Claxton
4.12. Haliburton
4.13. Jerome
4.14. White
4.15. Garland
4.16. Clarke
4.17. Washington
5.18. Okeke
5.19. Hayes
5.20. Langford
5.21. Hunter
5.22. Alexander-Walker
5.23. Winston
5.24. Thybulle
5.25. Little
5.26. Tillman
5.27. Jontay Porter
5.28. Teske
5.29. Diallo
5.30. Gafford
5.31. Reddish
5.32. Fernando
5.33. Norvell
5.34. Robinson
5.35. Tillie
5.36. Herro
5.37. Jalen Smith
5.38. Hachimura
5.39. Lawson
5.40. Massinburg
5.41. Doumbouya
5.42. Blackshear
5.43. Brazdeikis
5.44. Keldon Johnson
5.45. Zoosman
5.46. Kevin Porter
5.47. Bassey
5.48. Cameron Johnson
5.49. Konchar
5.50. Samanic
1. Zion
2.2. Barrett
2.3. Morant
3.4. Bitadze
3.5. Williams
3.6. Culver
3.7. Horton-Tucker
4.8. Jones
4.9. Ponds
4.10. Bol
4.11. Claxton
4.12. Haliburton
4.13. Jerome
4.14. White
4.15. Garland
4.16. Clarke
4.17. Washington
5.18. Okeke
5.19. Hayes
5.20. Langford
5.21. Hunter
5.22. Alexander-Walker
5.23. Winston
5.24. Thybulle
5.25. Little
5.26. Tillman
5.27. Jontay Porter
5.28. Teske
5.29. Diallo
5.30. Gafford
5.31. Reddish
5.32. Fernando
5.33. Norvell
5.34. Robinson
5.35. Tillie
5.36. Herro
5.37. Jalen Smith
5.38. Hachimura
5.39. Lawson
5.40. Massinburg
5.41. Doumbouya
5.42. Blackshear
5.43. Brazdeikis
5.44. Keldon Johnson
5.45. Zoosman
5.46. Kevin Porter
5.47. Bassey
5.48. Cameron Johnson
5.49. Konchar
5.50. Samanic
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Outside the top 3 is odd to me. Hunter at 21?
Possibly overreacting to a bad game, but felt that he was really passive down the stretch while Jerome took over against Oregon. A lottery pick, especially a 21-year-old like Hunter, should step up and carry his team in a situation like that. I'll inch him back up if he had a big bounce-back game today, but right now not feeling it. Seems like a poor man's version of Mikal Bridges last year.