2023 Season | Series #47 | Guardians @ Giants | Sep. 10-12, 2023

[Benway]

If you designed the perfect anti-Amed, you would have exactly one Arias.

What a great idea for a platoon!

 

[sportscoach]

I've never disagreed about regular playing time being essential for a solid evaluation, but those perfect conditions almost never exist for any prospect, so why roll out the red carpet for Arias? Did Benson get a fair opportunity? Freeman? Not even Jose got that, he had to move position and earn it. And as we've seen with Jose or vice versa with Oscar or Naquin, you need hundreds up to 1000 PA to get the real picture. What does that mean for the other MIF if that's the qualifier for "a real look"?

It's about commitment and preference and if the org's eval process mirrors yours I think it's the next misstep. It's already an obvious commitment over Freeman, who most scouting reports and robots preferred to Arias. If it leads to Freeman never getting a real shot or being moved, that's already a mistake in my book.

Problem is this... Freeman doesn't have the defensive capabilities that Arias does nor does Freeman have the ceiling Arias does...

Freeman has a hell of a floor though, problem is Freeman is a style that we already have on the roster. When we decided to keep Gimenez at 2B that kind of put Freeman out of the long term plans in my mind... He's going to end up elsewhere and compete for a batting title, though his SLG% and OPS% will never honestly be that great.

 

[Tondo]

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[Tondo]

Problem is this... Freeman doesn't have the defensive capabilities that Arias does nor does Freeman have the ceiling Arias does...

Freeman has a hell of a floor though, problem is Freeman is a style that we already have on the roster. When we decided to keep Gimenez at 2B that kind of put Freeman out of the long term plans in my mind... He's going to end up elsewhere and compete for a batting title, though his SLG% and OPS% will never honestly be that great.

I'd take a 4 fWAR Kwan playing MIF over the tease and inconsistecy of an Arias who needs stellar SS defense (we'd get from Gimenez anyway) to get there.

Shades of Erik Gonzalez.

This whole discussion brings up memories of E. Gonzalez vs Urshela. Defense/position was one of the biggest arguments then too. Only that we now have like 5 more talented versions of Urshela (yes, Arias is also more talented as Erik, though really only reverse hit/power, the rest being pretty comparable).

 

[BimboColesHair]

Again.

Quit mistaking giving someone a chance to play consistently at a natural position vs committing to someone.

 

[Benway]

Guess who this player is?

Spoiler

It's Arias vs. RHP + Amed vs. LHP in 2023

PA​

AB​

R​

H​

2B​

3B​

HR​

RBI​

SB​

CS​

BB​

SO​

BA​

OBP​

SLG​

OPS​

TB​

GDP​

HBP​

387​

357​

48​

102​

27​

3​

10​

40​

10​

5​

29​

79​

.286​

.341​

.462​

.803​

165​

15​

1​

 

[sportscoach]

Guess who this player is?

Spoiler

It's Arias vs. RHP + Amed vs. LHP in 2023

PA​

AB​

R​

H​

2B​

3B​

HR​

RBI​

SB​

CS​

BB​

SO​

BA​

OBP​

SLG​

OPS​

TB​

GDP​

HBP​

387​

357​

48​

102​

27​

3​

10​

40​

10​

5​

29​

79​

.286​

.341​

.462​

.803​

165​

15​

1​

So what you are saying is if we platoon Arias, with a SS who hits lefties well, we have a monster on our hands? Lol

 

[Martyinnewyork]

Sad that the Giants game thread seems more interesting than the Rangers series…

 

[Benway]

So what you are saying is if we platoon Arias, with a SS who hits lefties well, we have a monster on our hands? Lol

It happened this season, but that doesn't mean it'd happen again.
I think it's more likely that Arias normalizes a little vs. LHP and dips vs. RHP next year. I've never seen a reverse platoon split this extreme. Doesn't seem sustainable. (He should immediately seek radical treatment for his Sinistrophobia.)

 

[KluberSociety]

It happened this season, but that doesn't mean it'd happen again.
I think it's more likely that Arias normalizes a little vs. LHP and dips vs. RHP next year. I've never seen a reverse platoon split this extreme. Doesn't seem sustainable. (He should immediately seek radical treatment for his Sinistrophobia.)

He did have the same issue with K's in the minors but no it wasn't this severe though if you translate about a 30% K rate in AAA to the majors I don't think you're gonna get good results.

Hard to project that kind of split throughout his career though, but I do think he is just plain bad against LHP now, though not as exaggerated as the numbers say this year.