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2023 Season | Series #50 | Orioles @ Guardians | Sep. 21 -24, 2023

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sportscoach said:
I'll be sincere with you, Manzardo isn't getting the call up because of the fact he doesn't need protected in the rule 5 draft. This in return allows them to have more flexibility in the off season on the 40 mam roster...

Since honestly, there is only a few guys that need protected, Espino, J Rodriquez, maybe Schneeman and Burns type of thing... It's not a big deal...

If they do move on from Calhoun, it's actually likely J Rodriquez or Schneeman that would get that spot, if they add a position player.
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Question.

If Manzardo is as good as we believe he is and as ready as we think he is that he will be up in 2024, which I believe everyone agrees he will be, is it worthwhile to bring him up a month or so later, watch him go off, and he still is given a full year of service time?

That’s the risk you are taking by not opening up the season with him. Manipulating his service time only to lose that team control anyways for less than a full seasons worth of production.

The new rules have made it harder for position players, especially highly regarded prospects on the cusp of breaking in already, to have their service time manipulated because teams are afraid of losing out on a full year for only 3/4ths or 2/3rds of a season, so they’re just getting the full year off the rip.

Manzardo is the first guy we’ve had with a legit chance to qualify for the draft pick compensation should he make the Opening Day roster. He’s going to be given a legit chance to make the roster out of the gates, regardless of his rule 5 status. Why do you think we traded Bell after acquiring him?
 
Manzardo can be left off the 40 roster in preparation for the R5 AND still make the 26 roster in ST.

Two different topics.

I don't want him rostered now, but hope he's ready by game 1 next season, I'm all for it.

Speaking of R5, there's not a real crunch this year, but would like to know what you Bimbo believe is the % of chances we will see Laureano, O. Gonzalez and J. Rodriguez on the 40 by the R5 deadline? My guess is 2 of 3?

I would definitely keep Ramon, and I still believe in Oscar enough to give it another shot. And I'd hate losing Rodriguez as minors FA after all those years of developing. Chances all 3 get protected, maybe as placeholder for a FA bat or future trade?
 
Tondo said:
Manzardo can be left off the 40 roster in preparation for the R5 AND still make the 26 roster in ST.

Two different topics.

I don't want him rostered now, but hope he's ready by game 1 next season, I'm all for it.

Speaking of R5, there's not a real crunch this year, but would like to know what you Bimbo believe is the % of chances we will see Laureano, O. Gonzalez and J. Rodriguez on the 40 by the R5 deadline? My guess is 2 of 3?

I would definitely keep Ramon, and I still believe in Oscar enough to give it another shot. And I'd hate losing Rodriguez as minors FA after all those years of developing. Chances all 3 get protected, maybe as placeholder for a FA bat or future trade?
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FMK? Marry Laureano, F J-Rod, Kill Oscar.

I don't believe in J-Rod, but I don't think Oscar is even worth protecting at this point. I've written him off.
 
The last guy I want to see in a G's uniform in the last week of September is Manzardo. I really see no advantage to it. He seems to be finally back in stride at AAA. Just let him keep that confidence. He will be playing in the AFL. So let's see how that plays out.
In ST I'm sure he will play every day either in an A game or B game. The real question is would you open the season with him, or give him another 100 AB's in AAA. He got @ 400 AAA AB's this season. Personally, I would start him in AAA. (Unless the new manager is strongly opposed.)

I've got a hunch we will have a new starting OF from outside the organization, so the offense should look different anyway.
 
BimboColesHair said:
Question.

If Manzardo is as good as we believe he is and as ready as we think he is that he will be up in 2024, which I believe everyone agrees he will be, is it worthwhile to bring him up a month or so later, watch him go off, and he still is given a full year of service time?

That’s the risk you are taking by not opening up the season with him. Manipulating his service time only to lose that team control anyways for less than a full seasons worth of production.

The new rules have made it harder for position players, especially highly regarded prospects on the cusp of breaking in already, to have their service time manipulated because teams are afraid of losing out on a full year for only 3/4ths or 2/3rds of a season, so they’re just getting the full year off the rip.

Manzardo is the first guy we’ve had with a legit chance to qualify for the draft pick compensation should he make the Opening Day roster. He’s going to be given a legit chance to make the roster out of the gates, regardless of his rule 5 status. Why do you think we traded Bell after acquiring him?
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I think me and @Tondo are on the same page when it comes to Manzardo...

I have no qualms if we add him and I wouldn't be surprised if we do in all sincerity... Though I believe he's going to the Fall league so that would semi-rule him out being added...

I am just looking at since he isn't rule 5 eligible this off season, that leaves us the ability to keep one more player on the 40 man roster/create an open spot for the Rule 5 draft to start the spring.

Aka it's not even about adjusting service time since I believe he has a legit chance of making the 24 roster, it's more about going into spring of 24 with the most people possible...

Essentially, I'd rather go into 24 with OGonz and J Rodriquez on the 40 man than lose one via DFA/Rule 5... It's easier to move a player at the end of spring/after the Rule 5 draft than before the roster set date in November.

Add him now, you lose that spot to keep another player. It's more a logistical point rather than anything else.

Also with the fact, the must adds in my mind and the guys who will likely be off the roster, match up number wise, we don't essentially have to trade anyone if there isn't a good deal...

I mean, we have to add Espino and I feel like we should protect J Rodriquez, but outside of that we only have Frias and Burns on our top 30 prospect list (via MLB.com list) who are Rule 5 eligible... Then we have a bunch of pitchers who are borderline, plus guys like Pries, Schneeman, Lavastida etc... who I don't think will be taken in the rule 5, but could be...

So that's just my take...
 
sportscoach said:
I think me and @Tondo are on the same page when it comes to Manzardo...

I have no qualms if we add him and I wouldn't be surprised if we do in all sincerity... Though I believe he's going to the Fall league so that would semi-rule him out being added...

I am just looking at since he isn't rule 5 eligible this off season, that leaves us the ability to keep one more player on the 40 man roster/create an open spot for the Rule 5 draft to start the spring.

Aka it's not even about adjusting service time since I believe he has a legit chance of making the 24 roster, it's more about going into spring of 24 with the most people possible...

Essentially, I'd rather go into 24 with OGonz and J Rodriquez on the 40 man than lose one via DFA/Rule 5... It's easier to move a player at the end of spring/after the Rule 5 draft than before the roster set date in November.

Add him now, you lose that spot to keep another player. It's more a logistical point rather than anything else.

Also with the fact, the must adds in my mind and the guys who will likely be off the roster, match up number wise, we don't essentially have to trade anyone if there isn't a good deal...

I mean, we have to add Espino and I feel like we should protect J Rodriquez, but outside of that we only have Frias and Burns on our top 30 prospect list (via MLB.com list) who are Rule 5 eligible... Then we have a bunch of pitchers who are borderline, plus guys like Pries, Schneeman, Lavastida etc... who I don't think will be taken in the rule 5, but could be...

So that's just my take...
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I guess I missed calling him up NOW, and that being the conversation.

Yeah, he isn't coming up now.

But there is a good chance he starts the year in Cleveland next year.
 
BimboColesHair said:
I guess I missed calling him up NOW, and that being the conversation.

Yeah, he isn't coming up now.

But there is a good chance he starts the year in Cleveland next year.
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@BimboColesHair
Can a player be on the 40 man & still play in the Arizona Fall league??

I would rather Manzardo get additional playing time in Arizona this fall then the 1 remaining week in majors this year.
 
Tondo said:
Manzardo can be left off the 40 roster in preparation for the R5 AND still make the 26 roster in ST.

Two different topics.

I don't want him rostered now, but hope he's ready by game 1 next season, I'm all for it.

Speaking of R5, there's not a real crunch this year, but would like to know what you Bimbo believe is the % of chances we will see Laureano, O. Gonzalez and J. Rodriguez on the 40 by the R5 deadline? My guess is 2 of 3?

I would definitely keep Ramon, and I still believe in Oscar enough to give it another shot. And I'd hate losing Rodriguez as minors FA after all those years of developing. Chances all 3 get protected, maybe as placeholder for a FA bat or future trade?
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It's only the presence/absence from the Active Roster Day 1 that defines the draft pick compensation award.. and you're correct.. two different subjects..

As far as the Rule V stuff.. Laureano is the most directly tradeable of the three you've mentioned.. If the right deal (or part of a deal) comes that includes him.. keeping him is not as important by definition.. That said, agree that SpongeBob should be given another go and the John-Rod being exposed has a likelihood of being claimed.. and returned.. like most Rule V guys..

Just the facts, man.. just the facts.. regarding the rest of the tet^a^tet, ongoing..
 
Looking forward to seeing McStix on the hill.. would love to see him chuck the rock 75 times while remaining healthy..

The results are an afterthought...
 
BimboColesHair said:
I guess I missed calling him up NOW, and that being the conversation.

Yeah, he isn't coming up now.

But there is a good chance he starts the year in Cleveland next year.
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I had it first, sportscoach told me they roster Calhoun in April over the MANzardo. I then lost interest in 2024.
 
Real Deal said:
I had it first, sportscoach told me they roster Calhoun in April over the MANzardo. I then lost interest in 2024.
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Someone will get an NRI invite to potentially play 1B/DH. It could be Calhoun. Wouldn't shock me.

But it will take that player going off in the Spring and Manzardo looking meh or overmatched for it to mean much. I do not believe we would risk him finishing top 2 in the ROTY voting and accruing a full year of service time just for him to play 100-110 games, which is a real possibility considering his pedigree and the position he plays. The opportunity would surely be there.

For an organization that heavily values team control that flies in the face of a lot of internal philosophies.
 
Gson said:
It's only the presence/absence from the Active Roster Day 1 that defines the draft pick compensation award.. and you're correct.. two different subjects..
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So what type of pick would we be eligible for if Manzardo makes the opening day roster? Is that a 24 pick?
 
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