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2024 Season | Series #1 | Guardians @ A's | March 28-31, 2024

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A few thoughts...

1) The decision to attempt a safety squeeze in that situation with that personnel was a bone head move by Vogt, if indeed it was truly his decision.

Runners on the corners with no outs, and the top of the order coming up.

A K or pop up doesn't hurt. A GIDP gives us the lead. A sac fly gives us the lead. A throw out at the plate leaves a RISP. Just about the only thing that would really hurt was what happened.

2) Having said that, in game decisions aren't the true measurement of a manager. Its how he manages for a 162 game season, and Vogt is obviously very focused on 162 games.

3) The lineup card isn't totally in Vogts hand. The FO is openly focused on giving tryouts to several players, even if it means hurting the chances of winning. Guys like Florial and Arias are gonna get their shots, even if they aren't the best options.

4) Eli and Barlow have been solid, not great, relievers for years. Four games into a season is not nearly long enough to make definitive opinions on them.

5) No matter what anyone says, the Powers That Be are treating TMac with kid gloves. They are gonna protect him as much as possible in the early part of the season. Doing otherwise would be malfeasance. He and Bieber alone could power this team to a division title. Thats why he was ramped up so slowly, and thats why he is pitching in the fifth spot.

Besides, the rotational order is only a big deal for a few weeks. Whats the difference in June whether an opponent is facing Bieber-TMac or TMac-Bieber? And in July the rotation will be reset after the break.

Heck, we might not even have a rotation by then.
 
I have been trying to trade for Blackburn btw...
 
Besides, the rotational order is only a big deal for a few weeks. Whats the difference in June whether an opponent is facing Bieber-TMac or TMac-Bieber? And in July the rotation will be reset after the break.
Exactly. And my hope is that Gavin Williams replaces Cookie soon.

Although Cookie wasn't bad. The two runs in the first inning game on an infield single and one bad pitch that was hit for a triple, putting the second run on 3rd with nobody out.

After that he allowed one run over four innings.
 
Exactly. And my hope is that Gavin Williams replaces Cookie soon.

Although Cookie wasn't bad. The two runs in the first inning game on an infield single and one bad pitch that was hit for a triple, putting the second run on 3rd with nobody out.

After that he allowed one run over four innings.

I have Carrasco going to the bullpen when Williams gets back...

Though with Carrasco, Williams can slowly come back and make sure he's 100%...
 
Williams isn't gonna be back for quite a while. Once he can actually pitch again, he will have to get ramped up all over again, and the last thing this org is gonna do is push a young starter. Just the opposite, they will error on the side of caution.
 
Williams isn't gonna be back for quite a while. Once he can actually pitch again, he will have to get ramped up all over again, and the last thing this org is gonna do is push a young starter. Just the opposite, they will error on the side of caution.
Last I heard, they were cautiously optimistic he'd return for the first homestand.
 
Last I heard, they were cautiously optimistic he'd return for the first homestand.

I think they will let him get a minor league game in or two before they bring him up... I wouldn't be surprised if they use the whole 30 rehab days in a sense to get him ramped back up...
 
I think they will let him get a minor league game in or two before they bring him up... I wouldn't be surprised if they use the whole 30 rehab days in a sense to get him ramped back up...
Which is still fine. Hardly the "isn't gonna be back for quite a while" that CATS is putting out there.
 
Which is still fine. Hardly the "isn't gonna be back for quite a while" that CATS is putting out there.

I feel like if this was playoff time frame, he would be back quickly, but they are gonna make sure he's ramped up properly because he is a young SP... I'd rather have him ready for the second half anyways, so I am not exactly worried when he gets back as long as he's ramped up properly
 
Which is still fine. Hardly the "isn't gonna be back for quite a while" that CATS is putting out there.
Which is still fine. Hardly the "isn't gonna be back for quite a while" that CATS is putting out there.

Williams pitched 4.2 IP in ST. His last start was 2.2 IP. What is that? 30 pitches at most?

He last pitched on Mar 5th...hurt his elbow on Mar 10th. How many starts will he need to ramp up to 80 pitches, after starting over?

Bieber and TMac started 4 games in ST. Bibee and Allen started 5.

Conservatively, Williams will need 4 once he is okayed to pitch. Thats a minimum of 20 days from his first start to being ready for his first start if the season.

There has been no word that he has scheduled to pitch a bullpen or a simulated game.

At best Williams won't pitch for Cleveland until May.
 
Williams pitched 4.2 IP in ST. His last start was 2.2 IP. What is that? 30 pitches at most?

He last pitched on Mar 5th...hurt his elbow on Mar 10th. How many starts will he need to ramp up to 80 pitches, after starting over?

Bieber and TMac started 4 games in ST. Bibee and Allen started 5.

Conservatively, Williams will need 4 once he is okayed to pitch. Thats a minimum of 20 days from his first start to being ready for his first start if the season.

There has been no word that he has scheduled to pitch a bullpen or a simulated game.

At best Williams won't pitch for Cleveland until May.

It's April right now... That's not a big deal to have him out that long...
 
Williams pitched 4.2 IP in ST. His last start was 2.2 IP. What is that? 30 pitches at most?

He last pitched on Mar 5th...hurt his elbow on Mar 10th. How many starts will he need to ramp up to 80 pitches, after starting over?

Bieber and TMac started 4 games in ST. Bibee and Allen started 5.

Conservatively, Williams will need 4 once he is okayed to pitch. Thats a minimum of 20 days from his first start to being ready for his first start if the season.

There has been no word that he has scheduled to pitch a bullpen or a simulated game.

At best Williams won't pitch for Cleveland until May.
Vogt said pregame that Williams was throwing in the bullpen as he was speaking.
 

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