2024 Season | Series #9 | Guardians @ Braves | April 26-28, 2024

[CDAV45]

I mean, I think my point was a pretty easy one to follow.

Through his first 172 MLB PAs Rocchio has a .581 OPS, a .083 ISO, has been worth -0.5 fWAR while playing 90% of his defensive innings at a position with built in positive WAR value, has posted a -6 OAA, has a cumulative -1 baserunning value score, and a cumulative -2.8 DRtg.

Through his first 171 MLB PAs Arias had a .685 OPS, a .156 ISO, was worth 0.3 fWAR playing 90% of his defensive innings at 3B, 1B, and RF (1B and RF have negative defensive value built in for WAR), had posted a -1 OAA, had a cumulative 0.4 baserunning value score, and a cumulative -1.9 DRtg.

I know for a fact I can go back to June of last year (and even before then) and find posts from Cats or Tondo or anyone else in favor of Rocchio saying Arias wasn't doing enough and was being given too long of a leash and he sucks and they just don't ever see how he is going to develop into a good MLB player.

This isn't even about Rocchio vs Arias. It's just funny how now it's time for patience with guys when we are playing favorites instead of being impartial.

What you stated was plain as day and that's what made me laugh. You know, the irony of it.

You know how I feel about the Arias and Rocchio comparisons so you're preaching to the choir here.

 

[CDAV45]

My current concern is that for years it seemed assumed Rocchio was the superior defensive shortstop which added to my anticipation of him reaching the big, so far that is not playing out.

This team would have been further ahead dealing Rocchio while his value was so high due to all the prospect hype. Let's see how that flies over. LOL

 

[CDAV45]

Was today's loss one of the 60 games we are destined to lose or one of the 42 make or break?

If you can't hit anything but singles you're not going to beat the best teams in the league generally speaking.

 

[macbdog]

Apart from game 1, I think they showed they can hang with the Braves. Team needs to get more innings out of their starters and/or develop a couple more pen arms. May be time to start using an opener like the Rays.

 

[macbdog]

 

[CDAV45]

This team is good, but if it wants to be in the same conversation as the Braves, Dodgers, Yankees and Phillies then they'll need to hit the ball harder. Just too many punch and judy hitters right now.

I think the rotation will get a boost when Williams finds his way back. That's one helluva lineup Atlanta puts together so if they can hold them to 3 runs at any time then I'll call that a good day from the pitchers.

 

[CDAV45]

It feels like 6 of those positions are set in stone as far as guys you're willing to ride into October with--and then it's just whether they perform or not.

DH, RF and SS feel like they aren't "that dude" yet.

I'd like to start trying internal options ASAP. Manzardo should get a shot at 1B/DH. JRod needs to come up to get his chance before the youngsters behind him.

CF doesn't look like "that dude" yet either.

I don't know how to fit them in or if they'll experience success on their initial exposure, but Manzardo and Rodriguez are exactly what this lineup needs.

 

[CDAV45]

Ben Lively versus the Braves.. it's been a while since he's seen them.. but he didn't do very well...

You were saying....

 

[CDAV45]

Its not being partial or being impatient.

It's about track records and trends.

Arias has a two year, 1000 PA track record of basically non performance, with a few 50 PA sprees of hot hitting sprinkled in. 1000 PAs is hardly a small sample size.

And whenever he is in one of his hot streaks, often powered by unsustainable underlying factors, we hear from some so called experts.

Now we here about Rocchios first 170 PAs compared to Arias first 170.

Rocchio has to play better, but its not like the bar is set very high. Arias' wRC+ stands at 79 in 462 PAs. One short hot streak would eclipse that quickly.

I just laugh at the bashing. I've heard it many times before. I heard it during Gimenez first year here, when I said that he was by far the best MIF player/prospect in the org and better than any prospect we had at any position. I heard it when I immediately said that Brantley would become an impact player.
I heard it when I said that Naquins rookie year was a fluke and we should trade him at his highest value.

Just give it all some time, and we shall see.

You know a guy is full of shit when he blatantly lies about the number of plate appearances a player has. 462 sporadic plate appearances is a longshot from 1000. It's laughable and severely disingenuous.

At this point, if you can't see Arias is the superior talent then you don't know shit about baseball. Yes, I'm ready to take it there.

What I find funny as hell is that this guru jerks himself off over the idea that he predicted the greatness of Gimenez when nobody else believed in him with no regard to the fact that most of Gimenez's value has come from his defense. Yet the same 2 lips thinks Rocchio is the better choice while not hitting as well as Arias and being a lesser defensive SS. The irony of all this is just funny.

If Brayan Rocchio is ever going to be much of anything he'll need to hit the ball a lot harder and play a better SS. If Arias ever wants to be the rare GG type SS that hits bombs then he'll need to make more contact and get the ball in the air. Just watching the ball come off of Gabe's bat has to have all the Rocchio lovers concerned.

 

[CDAV45]

Hentges opened game 1 for the Columbus Clippers throwing an inning, no hits or walks and struck out two. He should be back very soon. Curry followed and was doing well for a minute.. He ends up pitching the final 5IP with 6 hits 5R/5ER 1BB 5K 2HR. The sixth inning did him in (4ER).

With Valera scheduled to rejoin Columbus on Tuesday, might see some moves tomorrow.

Xzavion got blasted in his last appearance too.

 

[33Y0]

CF doesn't look like "that dude" yet either.

I don't know how to fit them in or if they'll experience success on their initial exposure, but Manzardo and Rodriguez are exactly what this lineup needs.

Even though he’s only getting .213, his xBA is .257, so he’s been a bit unlucky all the while still putting up a wRC+ of 103. He’s been “average” and still has room to grow. While he hasn’t been “that dude” yet, his underlying data shows promise.

 

[Otsego Mar]

3 hours since the game ended, and I’m still salty. REAL salty.

I can see the feces smeared all over your bathroom walls.

 

[macbdog]

 

[Gson]

I can see the feces smeared all over your bathroom walls.

...you know, you look in one window and you're labelled a peeper for life...

 

[KilgoreTrout]

I can see the feces smeared all over your bathroom walls.

You have no idea.