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2024 Season | Series #9 | Guardians @ Braves | April 26-28, 2024

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CATS44 said:
Its not being partial or being impatient.

It's about track records and trends.

Arias has a two year, 1000 PA track record of basically non performance, with a few 50 PA sprees of hot hitting sprinkled in. 1000 PAs is hardly a small sample size.

And whenever he is in one of his hot streaks, often powered by unsustainable underlying factors, we hear from some so called experts.

Now we here about Rocchios first 170 PAs compared to Arias first 170.

Rocchio has to play better, but its not like the bar is set very high. Arias' wRC+ stands at 79 in 462 PAs. One short hot streak would eclipse that quickly.

I just laugh at the bashing. I've heard it many times before. I heard it during Gimenez first year here, when I said that he was by far the best MIF player/prospect in the org and better than any prospect we had at any position. I heard it when I immediately said that Brantley would become an impact player.
I heard it when I said that Naquins rookie year was a fluke and we should trade him at his highest value.

Just give it all some time, and we shall see.
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I hate when people present themselves in this way.

Give us your misses too.
 
33Y0 said:
Even though he’s only getting .213, his xBA is .257, so he’s been a bit unlucky all the while still putting up a wRC+ of 103. He’s been “average” and still has room to grow. While he hasn’t been “that dude” yet, his underlying data shows promise.
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Don't disagree 33, and he's certainly been light years better than who he replaced. I'm just not sold that he's a more than average productive bat and my problem with that is there might(emphasis on might) be too many in the lineup still. I like Freeman, but I don't know if he's any kind of longterm answer though. It needs to play out like so many other things. That's what you get when you're the youngest team in MLB I guess.
 
CDAV45 said:
Don't disagree 33, and he's certainly been light years better than who he replaced. I'm just not sold that he's a more than average productive bat and my problem with that is there might(emphasis on might) be too many in the lineup still. I like Freeman, but I don't know if he's any kind of longterm answer though. It needs to play out like so many other things. That's what you get when you're the youngest team in MLB I guess.
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I'm not sure Freeman is the long-term answer in CF.

I do think he's the answer for all of 2024 though. Unless his defense starts falling apart and he shows that he just can't play the position, let him get comfortable and see what the kid can do.
 
jmilo said:
I'm not sure Freeman is the long-term answer in CF.

I do think he's the answer for all of 2024 though. Unless his defense starts falling apart and he shows that he just can't play the position, let him get comfortable and see what the kid can do.
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I don't expect Tyler's defense to fall apart at all. In fact, I expect him to get more comfortable out there and he's already doing a fine job IMO.

I'm not advocating to replace Tyler at all. I'm just saying that I haven't bought in fully in the same way I haven't went all in on any of Rocchio, Arias, Florial, Laureano and even Brennan. Hell, if I'm being honest I'm not overly confident in Gimenez's bat. I wouldn't be telling the truth if I said I wasn't a little concerned.
 
jmilo said:
I hate when people present themselves in this way.

Give us your misses too.
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Franmil Reyes...have no idea how he fell off a cliff so quickly. I said he would hit 50 home runs some day.

Luis Valbuena....said he would be a mini Choo. He did end up having a few decent seasons later in his career, but I really liked the way he swung a bat.

Zack McAllister...I said that once he developed a third pitch, he would be as good as Kluber. He never did, and Kluber blew up into one of the best pitchers over five seasons to ever pitch for Cleveland. McAllister did become a good reliever for us.

Nolan Jones will be, if his 2023 wasn't the fluke I think it was. Like Naquin, I would have traded him for a boat load this winter.

I gladly admit to my mistakes. You don't learn nearly as much from being right as you do from being wrong.
 
CATS44 said:
Franmil Reyes...have no idea how he fell off a cliff so quickly. I said he would hit 50 home runs some day.

Luis Valbuena....said he would be a mini Choo. He did end up having a few decent seasons later in his career, but I really liked the way he swung a bat.

Zack McAllister...I said that once he developed a third pitch, he would be as good as Kluber. He never did, and Kluber blew up into one of the best pitchers over five seasons to ever pitch for Cleveland. McAllister did become a good reliever for us.

Nolan Jones will be, if his 2023 wasn't the fluke I think it was. Like Naquin, I would have traded him for a boat load this winter.

I gladly admit to my mistakes. You don't learn nearly as much from being right as you do from being wrong.
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I'll second Valbuena - thought he was gonna be what we have with Jose.

Few other misses I'll add:
  • Ryan Garko - had a 4-year clip where he was pretty damn good and just...fell off
  • Franklin Gutierrez - Had that 1 year where everyone thought he could be the dude and nope
  • Ben Fransisco - See above
  • Bryson Myles - one of the oddest players I think we've drafted given his size (5'10, 230+) & speed (avg. about 21 SBs/year).
 
Damage said:
I'll second Valbuena - thought he was gonna be what we have with Jose.

Few other misses I'll add:
  • Ryan Garko - had a 4-year clip where he was pretty damn good and just...fell off
  • Franklin Gutierrez - Had that 1 year where everyone thought he could be the dude and nope
  • Ben Fransisco - See above
  • Bryson Myles - one of the oddest players I think we've drafted given his size (5'10, 230+) & speed (avg. about 21 SBs/year).
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Gutierrez, actually was good until his stomach was destroyed...
 
Damage said:
I'll second Valbuena - thought he was gonna be what we have with Jose.

Few other misses I'll add:
  • Ryan Garko - had a 4-year clip where he was pretty damn good and just...fell off
  • Franklin Gutierrez - Had that 1 year where everyone thought he could be the dude and nope
  • Ben Fransisco - See above
  • Bryson Myles - one of the oddest players I think we've drafted given his size (5'10, 230+) & speed (avg. about 21 SBs/year).
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Oddly enough we might have Valbuena's clone in Columbus right now. Any guesses who I'm referring to?
 
jmilo said:
I'm not sure Freeman is the long-term answer in CF.

I do think he's the answer for all of 2024 though. Unless his defense starts falling apart and he shows that he just can't play the position, let him get comfortable and see what the kid can do.
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Maybe not given the whole year but he definitely deserves at least 3 months of playing virtually everyday, which Vogt has been doing so far. Freeman hit for his career in the minors 309, which included his worse season when he played hurt for 3 months before he was shut down. That year he hit around 260.

At one time he was Cleveland's top prospect, so far this season he has under achieved . Some of that has been hitting with bad luck. If they were willing to give Arias every day at bats last season for 3 months, Freeman deserves the same opportunity.
 
jmilo said:
I'm not sure Freeman is the long-term answer in CF.

I do think he's the answer for all of 2024 though. Unless his defense starts falling apart and he shows that he just can't play the position, let him get comfortable and see what the kid can do.
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I'm impressed with Freeman, and IMO so should the board be. (Disclaimer: I've been higher on Freeman than almost every other prospect we've had for years.)

He is definitely not Straw...an unfair comparison)... but he has been at least average in center, (3 DRS) surprising for never playing it. Only Julio Rodriguez has more. Quick first step, quick reaction to mistakes, and knows the situation.

Offensively, he has maybe been our most unlucky hitter.

On the Guardians he ranks:

1st in EV
1st in EV 50
2nd in Barrel% (Nails)
1st in Hard hit rate.

His K rate is solid, his BB rate has improved, and he doesn't hit a ton of ground balls.

And yet, his BABIP is .230.
 
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