#25: ATH, Jabrill Peppers

[I'mWithDan]

He had a nice game overall although he got away with poor coverage on Crabtree’s drop in the endzone on what should have been a go-ahead TD.

Wonder if Crabtree was thinking about Peppers sending that TE in to outer-space earlier in the game?

People saying that was poor coverage are grading on a seriously unrealistic scale IMO.

The throw was absolutely perfect. Flacco fit that ball over a linebacker on the goaline and placed the ball just above head high, on Crabtree's outside shoulder. It could not have been thrown any better. If you watched film and said "where does the QB need to put this ball?" it would have been within a millimeter of where Flacco threw it.

Peppers had good positioning, got his inside arm up and made it as tough of a catch as he could. Sometimes the throw is just perfect and there's nothing someone can do.....even if you read and cover it pretty well.

I mean, look at this dog shit coverage below.....he's at least 10 inches away from him, bum.

 

[Jordan]

Can someone explain to me what people mean when they say that Peppers should play “the viper”?

I get it is what he did at UM. And I get that it involves him plying somewhere in between a safety and linebacker, which theoretically confuses the QB and puts Peppers close to the line.

But is the only value trickery? Why not just keep playing him at SS?

Thanks! Honestly I’m curious.

 

[MirORich]

Can someone explain to me what people mean when they say that Peppers should play “the viper”?

I get it is what he did at UM. And I get that it involves him plying somewhere in between a safety and linebacker, which theoretically confuses the QB and puts Peppers close to the line.

But is the only value trickery? Why not just keep playing him at SS?

Thanks! Honestly I’m curious.

I think they also bring it up because it’s a scheme that Williams has employed many times, when he has enough good safeties.

For example, in LA, Mark Barron, LaMarcus Joyner, and TJ McDonald were often on the field at the same time.

Perhaps they feel with Schobert having above average cover skills and Collins, Kirksey, and Avery all being regulars, there’s not a need to have Peppers in that hybrid role with Randall and FS and Kindred in the traditional SS role.

 

[MirORich]

Wonder if Crabtree was thinking about Peppers sending that TE in to outer-space earlier in the game?

People saying that was poor coverage is grading on a seriously unrealistic scale IMO.

The throw was absolutely perfect. Flacco fit that ball over a linebacker on the goaline and placed the ball just above head high, on Crabtree's outside shoulder. It could not have been thrown any better. If you watched film and said "where does the QB need to put this ball?" it would have been within a millimeter of where Flacco threw it.

Peppers had good positioning, got his inside arm up and made it as tough of a catch as he could. Sometimes the throw is just perfect and there's nothing someone can do.....even if you read and cover it pretty well.

I mean, look at this dog shit coverage below.....he's at least 10 inches away from him, bum.

Thank You!

Having a ball caught or a TD caught on you does not in of itself equal poor coverage. For example, the TDs that Antonio Brown and Michael Thomas scored against Ward were not because of bad coverage, the ball placement and skill level of the WRs just were too much to overcome.

Peppers coverage on Crabtree on this play might not have been as good as Wards in those examples, but it was far from horrible or even poor coverage.

 

[I'mWithDan]

Can someone explain to me what people mean when they say that Peppers should play “the viper”?

I get it is what he did at UM. And I get that it involves him plying somewhere in between a safety and linebacker, which theoretically confuses the QB and puts Peppers close to the line.

But is the only value trickery? Why not just keep playing him at SS?

Thanks! Honestly I’m curious.

The idea is versatility at the line of scrimmage. If you have someone like Peppers as an additional man in the box, you gain speed and athleticism without sacrificing run support.

The Viper puts a more athletic, more versatile player closer to the POA....so that could mean run support help but it also allows you to blitz a player that is faster than a traditional linebacker or drop him in to coverage as someone who has coverage skills far better than a LB.

A really good Viper allows a DC to do some creative, confusing things....because the Viper can assume any role (blitzer, LB, SS, Nickel) on any down and do them all well.

 

[blommen]

Brett Kollman made a video breakdown of how Peppers role on Michigan played to his strengths and how it impacted their defense if people are interested.

 

[Mr. Orange]

“Jabrill, nobody wants you to succeed more than me, but...”

See this is ridiculous trolling and now coming from a Mod?

All I ever said was Peppers had a poor year one and didn’t play up to his draft position. That’s it. I even posted PFF ratings in which they said the same thing. Some people ignore climate change data too. Nothing you can do with these people.

I want Jabril to do well, and said as much after the draft. He was disappointing in year one. Pepper HIMSELF admits he has to do better. He is doing well in a run support role but we want more from him in the passing game.

This trolling is just getting out of hand.

 

[Mr. Orange]

Over under its @Mr. Orange harassing peppers at the local CVS?

Considering you are harassing me, it’s more likely that you are the guy harrasing people in public. If you want to talk X’s and O’s we can. I posted PFF stats to have a sports conversation. This is the Dorsey era and not Crenel’s Country Club. There will be critisism of players buddy boy. If you can’t take it, maybe lurk more and post less.

 

[Mr. Orange]

Wonder if Crabtree was thinking about Peppers sending that TE in to outer-space earlier in the game?

People saying that was poor coverage are grading on a seriously unrealistic scale IMO.

The throw was absolutely perfect. Flacco fit that ball over a linebacker on the goaline and placed the ball just above head high, on Crabtree's outside shoulder. It could not have been thrown any better. If you watched film and said "where does the QB need to put this ball?" it would have been within a millimeter of where Flacco threw it.

Peppers had good positioning, got his inside arm up and made it as tough of a catch as he could. Sometimes the throw is just perfect and there's nothing someone can do.....even if you read and cover it pretty well.

I mean, look at this dog shit coverage below.....he's at least 10 inches away from him, bum.

Since we are cherry picking screen shots...

 

[Soda]

This is what PFF had to say about JP in their blurb. They mentioned him amongst the 5 impact Browns players:

Safety Jabrill Peppers was noticeable on defense, flying around making plays on defense. Peppers was disruptive against the run, blowing up a block on a stretch run to the outside which led to a significant loss on the play. He also forced incompletions downfield and laid a big hit in the end zone on a tipped ball that still had a chance to be caught.

 

[Mr. Orange]

This is what PFF had to say about JP in their blurb. They mentioned him amongst the 5 impact Browns players:

Safety Jabrill Peppers was noticeable on defense, flying around making plays on defense. Peppers was disruptive against the run, blowing up a block on a stretch run to the outside which led to a significant loss on the play. He also forced incompletions downfield and laid a big hit in the end zone on a tipped ball that still had a chance to be caught.

Again, this is great and encouraging, but are posters spamming PFF for their objective review of Jabril in year 1?

He is playing better this year. As is most of the defense when you get a true CB1 who shuts down half the field. I am happy for Jabril.

 

[Soda]

Again, this is great and encouraging, but are posters spamming PFF for their objective review of Jabril in year 1?

He is playing better this year. As is most of the defense when you get a true CB1 who shuts down half the field.

I don't see why I need to harp on the past season here. A poster asked what PFF said about the game, so I posted it.

Ward helps, but no. He's not the reason Peppers is playing better at the individual level.

I am happy for Jabril.

I can't say I believe this. I know you keep saying it, but it's like the "I don't mean to be a dick, buuuuuut" type thing every time.

 

[dark2332]

Jabrill Peppers is a second year player who clearly has his weaknesses, but also has a lot of strengths.

This year, we are putting him in more positions to use those strengths and he’s beginning to excel in those roles.

I really don’t understand why this thread is always ground zero for a holy war every freaking day.

Let’s chiiiiiiilllll.

 

[I'mWithDan]

Since we are cherry picking screen shots...

Is this supposed to support the poor coverage crowd?

He’s right on the receivers hip and it’s a perfect throw.....which is what I said in the original post.

People calling that poor coverage are not being honest with themselves from an analysis perspective. That play is a classic “there is no defense for a perfect throw”.

If Baker makes that throw, people aren’t saying “was a good throw but that DB had poor coverage”.......they’d be saying “that was an absolutely perfect throw”.

 

[Mr. Orange]

I don't see why I need to harp on the past season here. A poster asked what PFF said about the game, so I posted it.

Ward helps, but no. He's not the reason Peppers is playing better at the individual level.



I can't say I believe this. I know you keep saying it, but it's like the "I don't mean to be a dick, buuuuuut" type thing every time.

Did you ever play sports? I can recall doing good things but then the coaches talked about the things I fucked up so I would work on them and improve. That’s how coaches work and when I watch a game I see the warts too. Jabril played well but had some fuck ups. It’s a step, but he still has a ways to go. We want a championship level defense.

I guarantee you Gregg Williams will be the same on Tuesday. Good game but here is where you can get better.