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#52 DeShone Kizer

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This is pretty interesting. One one side we have people who's heads are exploding over this pick. On the other side we have people saying to start him from day one.
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Soar said:
If the options were Trubisky at 1, Mahomes/Watson at 12, or Kizer at 52...

I think Kizer would have been my choice there. I was pretty intrigued with Mahomes but Kizer at 52 is solid value.

But to be blunt, Hue has a lot of work to do with Kizer.
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I agree Hue has alot to work with and alot to work on with Kizer. I feel like Davis Webb was the next comparable QB. Both had size, athletic ability, and arm strength but I think the decision making and accuracy is something Davis Webb had over Kizer.

The knock on Davis Webb is even though he beat out Baker Mayfield, he then got beaten out the next season by Patrick Mahomes. He put up good numbers at Cal after transferring. For me if the choice was Kizer at 53 or Webb at 65 (or later, he went 87), I would have taken Webb. Kizer might have the slight edge on the physical attributes of a QB but I think Webb has a better head and fundamentals to start with.
 
Amherstcavsfan said:
I see no reason why Kizer could not play from day one and this is for multiple reason:

1) I don't believe in sitting guys in the NFL. If the teams believes you to be a franchise guy, get him out there and let him play. Guys do not sit in the NFL anymore unless they have obvious, serious holes in their game. I don't think Kizer's problems are going to be fixed by sitting on the bench. His problem is consistency, and the only way to get consistency is to get him snaps and play him immediately.

2) There is no one else who warrants snaps over Kizer. There is no vet for him to sit and watch, there is not a guy with higher upside than him and there is, as described above, no holes that need fixed by him sitting. Kessler is a real solid NFL Spot Starter, but he's still young too. You would just be wasting time starting Kessler over Kizer.

3) Kizer is entering a very good spot right now, believe it or not. What is Cleveland's biggest hole offensively right now? Slot WR? RB? He has two solid WR'ers, he has a 1st round TE with a pretty decent 2nd TE, he has a good stable of running backs who showed production, and he has an elite offensive line that will not murder him. He's not going to get Tim Couch'd into the ground, he's not going to get blasted by a defense. I think Kizer's biggest flaw is that sometimes, when getting rushed, he loses his mechanics and that's where you get a ball skipped to a WR. I don't think he'll face that here, not at the outset.

Kizer is a lotto ticket, honestly. Arm talent wise, he and Mahomes were 1A/1B. He cannot throw it further than Mahomes and he doesn't have that elite natural accuracy at times, but Kizer does throw the ball extremely well. In 2015, he was shredding people with perfect drop passes into Will Fuller's bread basket, throwing incredibly touch passes to CJ Prosise, and getting great protection from Stanley on his left side. This year, he did not have that same luxury, while also having to deal with a HC that, for some reason, wanted a guy that clearly was not more talented than him to play. Zaier should have been stapled to the bench for Kizer, but Kelly is a moron.

The talent is all there. The guy is actually very aware in the pocket, sometimes overly aware in the pocket. He climbes the pocket with ease and can throw pinpoint passes literally anywhere on the field. There is not a throw that he cannot make, and has not made on tape. If he gains consistency, he will be an elite QB. Of recent QB's to come out, if Carson Wentz and Jameis Winston can play day one, I see no reason that Kizer should not play day one. I actually cannot believe that no one took this lotto ticket sooner, I thought for sure he would end up with Ariens in Arizona.

All this being said, there are some serious flaws to him as well, stuff that Jackson needs to coach him about. He does not have a super quick release. It's got a funky loop sometimes, which is not a game breaker but it is a concern. He does stare down target #1 for a long period of time. I don't think he's a bad kid, but it does sound like sometimes, he thinks his shit don't stink. Hue won't tolerate that for too long out his guys. I think he was handed some humility last year at ND, and I think with Hue being in his ear all offseason, maybe he trusts and respects Hue to let him in to be his mentor.

We'll see. If I'm the Browns, start him game #1 and let him go. If he flounders this year with no hope for the future, get Kessler in there and aim for 2018's QB. But right now, as we stand, Kizer needs to get on the field ASAP and play some games.
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We have always just kind of thrown a rookie QB into the starting spot and we need to stop doing that. I want to develop Kizer on and the bench and if you say it doesn't work then you are forgetting about Rivers, Rodgers, Brady, Palmer all didn't really start their rookie seasons and they turned out okay. Kizer needs time to learn and I think Kessler is the better QB for this team right now. Now if he does show up to camp greatly improved with the aspects that bother me then yeah let him compete. Kessler only played cause of injuries and Kizer I am pretty sure will go the same route to play as a rookie. Let's develop this kid right and take our time putting him on the field, rather than just throw him out there.

The question is with Kizer, what are they doing with Osweiler? If Osweiler is here still, it's a good probability Kizer will be out of the discussion as the starter, while if he is not then it will be between Kessler and Kizer, which Kessler should win. His potential isn't as high, but he has shown a lot of poise and ability. Now he will never be able to reach what Kizer could be, but it's about putting the best person for the team and that's Kessler. That's what I believe and Kizer will still earn a lot knowledge just from practice alone from Jackson. If Kessler had the arm talent of Kizer he would be a number 1 pick without a doubt.
 
buzzdog said:
This is pretty interesting. One one side we have people who's heads are exploding over this pick. On the other side we have people saying to start him from day one.
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Lol I am not fond of Kizer, he is not the QB I wanted in this draft at all, I didn't like his mental makeup as a QB, but at the same time I need to trust Jackson and the FO for drafting him and my plan is let him sit and learn. It won't hurt him to be redshirted though the fact that people are like it will, is a bit ridiculous since the guys who sit on the bench and develop work out just fine.

Now I understand people want to see him on the field before next season, but it wouldn't surprise me if we take another QB next season as well and let these guys compete unless one of the guys we have now become a legit Franchise QB during this season. Kizer is the upside, Kessler is the guy with little upside but is a competent NFL QB in his current ability. Osweiler we have no clue who he is, but in his draft he was the least NFL ready QB, with one of the highest ceilings. We don't know what magic Jackson will make with these guys, but take pressure off of Kizer and be like, you arent starting unless you earn it, so do it!
 
If you actually hope Kizer should sit. Brock should stay, because when Kessler gets that first concussion someone will be pressed into action.
 
Chris said:
Hue already said they will let him compete.
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Yeah, I heard the post-draft from Hue, but I truly mean a legitimate chance to win the job out of camp.

Come in and "compete" seems to be a catch phrase with Hue. He even used it with Osweiler back in the aftermath of the salary dump trade. It's his safe-word. I still don't think Osweiler will remain on this roster.
 
TheISHT said:
If you actually hope Kizer should sit. Brock should stay, because when Kessler gets that first concussion someone will be pressed into action.
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That's the issue with Kessler, but I hoping the new OLine we have cut down the hit he takes. I actually want to see what Osweiler can do in camp since I don't have high grades with O'Brian in Houston. I haven't seen anything with him as a head coach that makes it seem like he is any good. It's possible he makes QBs conform to his demands rather than adjust to who he has. Let's see what happens
 
I've been trying to make sense out of what the plan is at the QB position.

I'm thinking that at some point we'll have whatever QB we draft next year, Kizer, and the competition for 3rd guy on the roster will be between Kessler and Osweiler.

Out of those who ends up being the starter will decided by competition and development of the younger guys. I would assume it will be mostly between Kessler and Osweiler this year unless Kizer makes a big leap.

Then next year I would assume either Kessler or Osweiler would be gone and we'd be presumably drafting one of the top 2 QBs in the draft. Then lather, rinse and repeat. Let the cream rise to the top when the time is right. Development and competition.

Who knows. I could see this being a path towards coming up with a FQB. Or not. There is no guarantee with any method but this seems logical.
 
Look forward to seeing him Week 15
 
Just a reminder that Kizer was in the silver category of this analytics study.
View: https://twitter.com/NFLDrafter/status/846400853607047168


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Learning the playbook is the least of my worries with his completion and win percentages last year.
 
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