#52 DeShone Kizer

[Sebastian]

I am a huge Cody fan, but he's already had 2 known concussions. One more and you would have to think he would contemplate retirement.

No need to bust your brain when you have such a pretty wife waiting at home.

I think Kessler is going to have a good year. Dude was decent as a rookie running for his life. The game is going to really slow down for him this season with a real pocket around him.

As for his arm strength, it is adequate. Sipe didn't have a rocket arm. He was still MVP. Same can be said of a lot of successful QBs.

 

[Tornicade]

Either way the times are different and QBs drafted in the first round are almost always required to start especially cause of the media and fans want them too. We were winning and the Crowds still demanded Manziel to play and so did our FO. Your argument is solid other than the fact QBs back then were draft based on where they should be not like in the current era where we draft QBs based off of potential and not how NFL ready they are. In that era there wouldn't have been a single QB drafted in the first round nor asked to take snaps in his rookie season if you look at the differences. Teams only will keep veteran QBs if they are at elite levels still otherwise they are cut for a rookie with potential. The amount of busted 1dt round QBs lately had been a lot higher than possibly any other era.

Also there is a huge difference in the last ten years when it comes to QBs, most top QBs in the draft start day one and they don't always pan out. With teams not keeping those veterans the young guys are forced to start and many before they are ready hence why we are seeing a ton of turnover in the NFL at QB. For every Manning and Ryan there is Gabbert, Ponder, RG3 type of guys. Not everyone can start right away and this current era says you have to start. Look at Goff last season, the coach wasn't planning on playing him, which isn't a wrong thing since the team wasn't good.

Wentz people forget was part of a pro style system and could do everything needed to play in the pros. Out of last year's class, he took the least amount of snaps in the shotgun and actually played under center a fair amount. He didn't have any concerns like Kizer does when it comes to the mental aspect of the games since in college watching his film, he seemed to often times throw to his check downs if he felt the big play wasn't there. Kizer made a bunch of boneheaded plays in college and was inconsistent with a lot of the aspects of his game. Wentz was ready to play in the pros, Kizer is far from it. Kessler was ready to play in the pros last season, on a Madden stat sheet if they were being sincere his throwing power and deep ball accuracy wouldn't be all that high, but his awareness, short pass accuracy and his mid throw accuracy will all be solid if not on the higher end. Now injury would be lower than I would like from a starting QB, but that's life.

A lot of people didn't like Hoyer because they had already seen the Chad Hutchinson story.

but that's not really reflective of the NFL.


It is rather situational as far as fan expectations.

If the Cowboys would of brought in a Buuby Brister , Mike Tomzak or a Bobby hebert to start over Aikman( I looked it up he went 0-11). Cowboys fans would of lost their minds.

Kessler is 23
Osweiler is 26 ( no one wants to see this guy start.)
Hogan is 24

It isn't Josh Mcnown out there losing his 18th game in a row.

 

[sportscoach]

A lot of people didn't like Hoyer because they had already seen the Chad Hutchinson story.

but that's not really reflective of the NFL.


It is rather situational as far as fan expectations.

If the Cowboys would of brought in a Buuby Brister , Mike Tomzak or a Bobby hebert to start over Aikman( I looked it up he went 0-11). Cowboys fans would of lost their minds.

Kessler is 23
Osweiler is 26 ( no one wants to see this guy start.)
Hogan is 24

It isn't Josh Mcnown out there losing his 18th game in a row.

McCown though had very good stats when he was healthy. I didn't mind him starting for us and we will see who starts this upcoming season, but Kizer is aways from actually being our starter and has to show he is better than a healthy Kessler, which in year one will be close to impossible

 

[Tornicade]

McCown though had very good stats when he was healthy. I didn't mind him starting for us and we will see who starts this upcoming season, but Kizer is aways from actually being our starter and has to show he is better than a healthy Kessler, which in year one will be close to impossible

I expect Kessler to start but the question is how long before he gets his next concussion.

Having an open qb competition gets Kizer reps with the first team.

Kessler still needs to show he can throw touchdowns and protect his head.

as far as stats. Kessler was the more accurate passer. threw for more yards per attmpet. Had a lower interception rate and a higher QBR.

 

[sportscoach]

I expect Kessler to start but the question is how long before he gets his next concussion.

Having an open qb competition gets Kizer reps with the first team.

Kessler still needs to show he can throw touchdowns and protect his head.

as far as stats. Kessler was the more accurate passer. threw for more yards per attmpet. Had a lower interception rate and a higher QBR.

Yeah that will be the question with Kessler, but I am hoping that the new OLine we got should cut down the amount of hits he takes. Kizer needs to get reps especially in preseason, I just think he's a bit far away right now to start from day one and if Kessler is playing well, we cannot simply bench him especially if we are close to a playoff birth. Now the last couple games get him some snaps if we are out of it, but not something where he is told from when the season starts he is playing/we play him before he is mentally ready.

 

[Douglar]

Look, if Hue thinks he needs to sit behind Kessler for a few games, fine, whatever. But Kizer should play the majority of the year. If for nothing else but because we need to have some feel for him before the 2018 draft.

I think the coaches will be able to adequately evaluate Kizer without forcing him to play as starting quarterback for the majority of the year. Let the kid come to training camp. If he can win the starting spot, he gets to start. If he can't win the starting spot in practice, he has to do what all the other Browns QB's do. Wait for the inevitable injury.

 

[Kbiz]

I am having a hard time understanding some thought process on here. It seems the argument is that Kessler should start b/c he showed flashes last year and it makes sense to build on any positive growth and we don't want to just throw out another QB who may not be ready. I don't think anyone expected to see Kessler get any meaningful minutes last year but due to injuries, he was thrust into the starting position and played above expectations. His play basically defies any of the, "you don't start a rookie QB too soon" logic that some are using to argue against Kizer getting any meaningful minutes.

I fully expect Hue to hold a competition b/w Osweiler, Kessler, and Kizer. When you've got two young unknowns, you make them work. An open competition creates the best environment for all three (even Osgarbage) to perform their best. We didn't just draft Kizer to hold a clip board all year with 5 potential top 50 picks staring us in the face next year. It's of most importance to see what he can do on the field in real games, playing under pressure, to determine the route we must take in next year's draft.

I think Kizer will likely surprise a lot of people. It's up to Hue to get the best out of him but i've followed his career at ND closely (2nd favorite college team) He has all the tools you could ask for. He just needs a coach that is willing to work with him.

 

[Lyst]

His weakness isn't arm strength.

So no.

Biggest concern:
• Arm strength. If Carson Wentz is at the high end of the arm-talent spectrum this season, Kessler is towards the other end of the scale. He doesn’t have an outright noodle, but his game needs to be more about anticipation and smarts than arm strength.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/draft-pff-scouting-report-cody-kessler-qb-usc/

http://draftwire.usatoday.com/2015/12/29/cody-kessler-tape-study-arm-strength-matters/

Weaknesses

• Lacks ideal height and frame for a quarterback
• Significant arm strength issues, velocity on intermediate to short range leaves a lot to be desired

http://draftwire.usatoday.com/2015/...w-about-2016-nfl-draft-prospect-cody-kessler/


" His physical skills and arm strength and health are concerns. "

http://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/...g-qb-battle-might-be-cody-kessler-vs-a-rookie

"The primary knock on Kessler coming out of USC was the lack of elite physical skills, particularly arm strength. Jackson has denied that’s an issue, but Kessler has yet to show the inclination or ability to stretch the field with his right arm."

http://www.chroniclet.com/browns-no...o-take-a-few-chances-and-throw-downfield.html




Not sure what rock you live under...

 

[Lee]

A lot of people didn't like Hoyer because they had already seen the Chad Hutchinson story.

but that's not really reflective of the NFL.


It is rather situational as far as fan expectations.

If the Cowboys would of brought in a Buuby Brister , Mike Tomzak or a Bobby hebert to start over Aikman( I looked it up he went 0-11). Cowboys fans would of lost their minds.

Kessler is 23
Osweiler is 26 ( no one wants to see this guy start.)
Hogan is 24

It isn't Josh Mcnown out there losing his 18th game in a row.

One of those 3 should be off the team and its not the one many are thinking.

I saw Hogan's mechanics and they are so bad he is Tim Tebow level for me.

Osweiler looked ok at best in Denver and just awful in Texas. But, he is tall, strong with a strong arm and is only 26. I really want to give him a shot to compete with the other 2 but I do not have high hopes.

I do think it comes down to Kessler vs Kizer and Kessler gets the nod because of his ability to read defenses vs Kizer.

Further Kessler dfoes not have a weak arm, that is Watson, Kessler has an adequate arm, like a Drew Brees. Put him in a similar offense and Kessler might flourish. The concussion this is a huge concern though and our line wasnt bad last year, just average. He held on to the ball to long, but that is what rookies do. Kessler was sacked 21 times last year, half as much as league leader Tyrod Taylor. I just think this becomes a huge issue moving forward.

 

[AZ_]

Biggest concern:
• Arm strength. If Carson Wentz is at the high end of the arm-talent spectrum this season, Kessler is towards the other end of the scale. He doesn’t have an outright noodle, but his game needs to be more about anticipation and smarts than arm strength.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/draft-pff-scouting-report-cody-kessler-qb-usc/

http://draftwire.usatoday.com/2015/12/29/cody-kessler-tape-study-arm-strength-matters/

Weaknesses

• Lacks ideal height and frame for a quarterback
• Significant arm strength issues, velocity on intermediate to short range leaves a lot to be desired

http://draftwire.usatoday.com/2015/...w-about-2016-nfl-draft-prospect-cody-kessler/


" His physical skills and arm strength and health are concerns. "

http://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/...g-qb-battle-might-be-cody-kessler-vs-a-rookie

"The primary knock on Kessler coming out of USC was the lack of elite physical skills, particularly arm strength. Jackson has denied that’s an issue, but Kessler has yet to show the inclination or ability to stretch the field with his right arm."

http://www.chroniclet.com/browns-no...o-take-a-few-chances-and-throw-downfield.html




Not sure what rock you live under...

Kessler's ball velocity was 55+ mph, so there are no real concerns about his arm strength or pushing the ball through traffic especially with the short and intermediate routes. He certainly displayed enough in his time this year for me to believe that was just lazy scouting based on his perceived lack of "size."

Where he's struggled is the deep accuracy and the processing of information. He consistently broke down in seeing the field and making the right reads.

While the pre-draft scouting reports are nice, it's not what he's shown on the field and obviously Hue Jackson believes that was inaccurate.

He's addressed those concerns to this point, but he's still got so much to work on for him to be effective in this league.

 

[el_capitan]

Kessler's ball velocity was 55+ mph, so there are no real concerns about his arm strength or pushing the ball through traffic especially with the short and intermediate routes. He certainly displayed enough in his time this year for me to believe that was just lazy scouting based on his perceived lack of "size."

Where he's struggled is the deep accuracy and the processing of information. He consistently broke down in seeing the field and making the right reads.

While the pre-draft scouting reports are nice, it's not what he's shown on the field and obviously Hue Jackson believes that was inaccurate.

He's addressed those concerns to this point, but he's still got so much to work on for him to be effective in this league.

Well how do you explain this then?

 

[Matches]

Hue Jackson on radio show, about Kizer:

"I don't know that I've coached a guy with this kind of skill set," Jackson said Thursday on team's in-house radio show, Cleveland Browns Daily on WKNR 850 AM. "But he's a big powerful man, so I know he's going to get compared to another guy on another team in our division."

Me to Hue Jackson:



Shut- ..Just..... Shut it.

 

[Randolphkeys]

One tell that I'm looking at is the skill set of the weapons on this team. Kenny Britt and Njoku are at their most effective finding windows in the zone coverage to get intermediate catches. Corey Coleman has deep speed, but the skill that stood out to the Browns pre-draft is his run after the catch ability. Duke might be able to run deeper routes than most running backs, but both Crow and Poop Dick excel in YAC as well.

All of that reads to me like Kessler and his short to intermediate passing accuracy will be a priority while Kizer works on his accuracy issues.

 

[Triplethreat]

https://instagram.com/p/BUVH0-AjUx9/

 

[Soda]

Only Peppers & Njoku left to sign.