76ers/Cavs Talking Trade?

[TyGuy]

No more getting rid of first rounders. That just isnt worth it, unless we get a premiere talent.

 

[CBBI]

What I've heard of this trade possibility is that it would appear on the surface to be EXTREMELY one sided in the CAVS favor from a competiive standpoint in the here and now ... 76ers looking toward future, and opening up cap space.

Here is my best guess based on what you have just written here in regards to the "EXTREMELY one sided in the CAVS favor" standpoint. All salary figures include this season.

Cavaliers trade:

Eric Snow - 2 years, 14M left
Donyell Marshall - 2 years, 11.4M left
Ira Newble - 1 year, 3.4M left
Shannon Brown 1 year, 1M left
2008 First Round Pick

76ers trade:

Andre Miller - 2 years, 19.2M left
Kyle Korver - 4 years, 19.6M left
Reggie Evans - 4 years, 18.8M left

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/featur...28~2011~557&teams=20~20~20~20~5~5~5&te=&cash=

Why the Cavaliers do it? They get a legitimate starting point guard who is still a very effective floor general. Miller isn't a deep shooting threat, but he's still one of the better pure point guards in the NBA. Kyle Korver is also one of the best shooters in the NBA and he would definately benefit from the all the double teams that LeBron James attracts. Evans's contract is a bit tough to swallow, but he is a fantastic rebounder and he would step right into the Ira Newble role of backup PF.

Why the 76ers do it? $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. This trade saves Philadelphia 26.5M dollars over the next 3 seasons. They bring in a veteran PG in Snow to mentor Louis Williams who they clearly want to give the starting PG reigns and they pickup a first round pick. Here is the breakdown as far as money goes.

Next Season
Miller 9.9, Korver 4.7, Evans 4.6 = 19.2
Snow 7.3, Marshall 5.9 = 13.2; Philly saves 6M

Year 2: Korver 5.1, Evans 4.9 = 10; Philly saves 10M

Year 3: Korver 5.5, Evans 5.0 = 10.5; Philly saves 10.5M

Thoughts?

 

[B Mac]

The length of those contracts really dont seem to fit into what Ferry has been laying out. Korver and Evans would be great editions but Im just not sure Ferry will commit to contracts that long.

 

[Jon]

Interesting, but I'd rather not have to take back 4yr contracts, lose two of our big expiring contracts, and lose our 1st rounder let alone all three.

Our plans for a Larry Hughes redux rest on either using those expiring contracts next year when they're at peak value, or else using the cap space we recover by letting them expire. The draft pick might be a pot sweetener for a major deal as well.

I'm just not sure we'd have any flexibility left after making the deal... now if Iguoadala was thrown in the deal ...

 

[CBBI]

Interesting, but I'd rather not have to take back 4yr contracts, lose two of our big expiring contracts, and lose our 1st rounder let alone all three.

Our plans for a Larry Hughes redux rest on either using those expiring contracts next year when they're at peak value, or else using the cap space we recover by letting them expire. The draft pick might be a pot sweetener for a major deal as well.

I'm just not sure we'd have any flexibility left after making the deal... now if Iguoadala was thrown in the deal ...

Hypothetically, next season we would have the following expiring contracts as trade assets....

Andre Miller at 9.9M
Drew Gooden at 7.1M
Damon Jones at 4.4M

That's 21.4M in expiring contracts to go along with that year's first round pick.

I agree that Evans and Korver's contracts are exactly the best, but it isn't like this team would be devoid of expiring contracts if they made this trade.

 

[Jon]

Good point ... assuming a couple more things....

1) We don't want to extend Miller's contract;

2) Gilbert is still willing to add even more salary to the payroll even with Korver and Evan's on the books.

 

[ClevelandFanati]

If we could get Miller without giving up Gooden or Gibson, I'd be ecstatic... I'm sure it would require Brown + Newble and either a 1st round pick or us eating a bad salary.

Miller for Newble, Shannon and Damon works under the cap, but I just can't see Philly considering this

More likely? Miller and Evans for Gooden, Newble, Jones and Brown. It works under the cap.

 

[Erbium]

Extremely one sided?

Here is my guess:

Andre Miller & Korver for Snow, Damon, Ira and Shannon.

The sixers have to be looking to dump Korver's contract. Carney is rotting on the bench, Korver is what he is, and they are moving to toward the future. W/ Carney and Young there, Korver is a long contract they don't need. This saves PHI plenty of cash.

I don't want to see our first rounder disappear again (especially w/o a second) but if that gets us these guys, I guess I like it. We replace DJ's shooting w/ an equally atrocious defender, but it does give us another shooter.

This seems to fall in line w/ W & G's "one-sided" statement.

 

[MikeOC33]

I get why people would like to see Andre return, I just don't understand why anyone would want Korver included in any deal. Don't you people know that ALL top notch 3 pt shooters who come to Cleveland DO NOT bring their jump shot with? The team doesn't need some skinny white kid with no jump shop hanging out on the 3 pt line launching rim rattlers.

 

[B Mac]

I get why people would like to see Andre return, I just don't understand why anyone would want Korver included in any deal. Don't you people know that ALL top notch 3 pt shooters who come to Cleveland DO NOT bring their jump shot with? The team doesn't need some skinny white kid with no jump shop hanging out on the 3 pt line launching rim rattlers.

"You take that back!"

 

[BRInQ]

"You take that back!"

lol!!!!!!!!!!!1111:chuckles:

 

[CavsRules]

76ers love Kyle Kover, and our 1st round pick wont be anywhere near the bottom, so can someone help me understand why they would wanna Trade him? I'd love em, and that Trade is a COMPLETE STEAL, but no way in hell that happens. Even if the contracts of Kyle and Reggie are a little bit long, they are players that can produce.

 

[Joe Henderson]

i got even more one EXTREMELY one-sided:

Miller, Iguodala and Louis Williams

for

Snow, Newble and Shannon.

actually, that's more rape than trade.

 

[Randolphkeys]

Korver's man defense is terrible. If we find a way to ship them Gooden and get Dalembert, we can run a defense more in line with what Avery Johnson has run in Dallas. Both Z and Dalembert challenging shots and snatching up rebounds with AV off the bench would be a nightmare for opposing coaches.

I hate the money Dalembert is owed... no one would call it a good value contract... but I'm sure Philly hates it even more. At least Dalembert appears to be improving AFTER signing that ridiculous deal.

 

[Wine and Gold]

Cavaliers trade:

Eric Snow - 2 years, 14M left
Donyell Marshall - 2 years, 11.4M left
Ira Newble - 1 year, 3.4M left
Shannon Brown 1 year, 1M left
2008 First Round Pick

76ers trade:

Andre Miller - 2 years, 19.2M left
Kyle Korver - 4 years, 19.6M left
Reggie Evans - 4 years, 18.8M left

We would be trying to avoid bringing back any long term contracts that would inhibit our potential two offseasons from now. Anything we ultimately do would better our chances in the short term, and keep us flexible for the 2009 offseason. This is when we will be looking to have an offseason in the Celtic mode ...where we build our dynasty team.

What are my thoughts on it happening ? At this point I don't get optimistic on any potential move ...just in the past year I've seen 99.9% of potential moves are never made.

On the surface knowing some of the names that have been tossed around, I get the feeling that it could happen because the needs fit, but, you always have other teams that are out there trying to accomplish similar things, and they may have the better fit ....what I'm saying is, you never know.

Two trades I thought were definitely going to happen this offseason, and neither did.