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A Closer Look at Andrew Wiggins

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Wiggins fits so well here, especially if you want LeBron. He starts out a SG perhaps with the ability to defend the 3 depending on who's on the floor and then as Wiggins grows and becomes a full time 3 LeBron would be aging and likely to stick to the 4 position. Really can't go wrong with Wiggins. His floor is a stud defender it seems and this team needs that anyways.
 
I think we got all caught up in the hype of these players and that the only one who had that IT factor was Embiid. Parker and Wiggins will be good to great players but not on the tier that we are dying to have with this pick.

I have to agree with what some of these scouts are saying about Wiggins especially.

At this point I say trade down to 3 or 4 and I take Embiid there and live with it. Then take the 2nd first rounder and try to use it somehow in a package to land love if possible.

People want this pick to be our immediate savior and its just not going to happen any player will take time to develop so you go with the most potential. What the hell do I know I wanted Drummond two years ago, and Noel last year but I think I am just sick of hearing soft bigmen on our team.
 
This video may not have shown us anything new, but it really makes me chuckle that some people think this pick should traded.
It reiterates the fact that Wiggins/Parker are so far above anything anyone of these teams can offer us.

You draft a guy in the lottery (especially fucking first overall) assuming they will be a big part of your franchise for at least the next 6-7 years or so.
Can you imagine this kid with continued improvement to his jumpshot and handle every year??

Not to mention, uh, you know, HE OVERFLOWS THE FUCKING HUGE HOLE WEVE HAD AT SMALL FORWARD SINCE 2010, WHICH IS, LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE MOST IMPORTANT POSITION IN BASKETBALL.

FUCK
I WILL BREAK THINGS IF WE TRADE THE PICK
 
A record number of teams tanked--including such storied franchises as the Lakers and Celtics--to try to get the top pick in one of the best drafts in a decade. Thus, I can't believe the Cavs would trade it away for role players and a lesser pick. Now, if Chris Grant were here, maybe; but he's not.

Then again, Griffin was with the Cavs during the Chris Grant years so...
 
Lakers and Celtics had no choice but to tank with major injuries to their star players.

Embiid was being named as the number one pick most of the year too so things do change and we are in a good position to adapt to that change if we choose.

At the end of the day I trust our scouts! However I really think there is something to be said about the hype around this draft and players. Getting caught in it could be a huge mistake but so could not drafting at 1 though so who knows lol

Time to leave it to our experts for me and hope for the best!

A record number of teams tanked--including such storied franchises as the Lakers and Celtics--to try to get the top pick in one of the best drafts in a decade. Thus, I can't believe the Cavs would trade it away for role players and a lesser pick. Now, if Chris Grant were here, maybe; but he's not.

Then again, Griffin was with the Cavs during the Chris Grant years so...

A record number of teams tanked--including such storied franchises as the Lakers and Celtics--to try to get the top pick in one of the best drafts in a decade. Thus, I can't believe the Cavs would trade it away for role players and a lesser pick. Now, if Chris Grant were here, maybe; but he's not.

Then again, Griffin was with the Cavs during the Chris Grant years so...
 
Okay then

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Well look who gets who gets up for whom... The cake might not be a lie.

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Watching highlights of him from before he got to Kansas and from his workouts after he left Kansas, it makes me wonder what Kansas was doing with him. It doesn't seem like they had a good plan to use him in the best way possible.
 
It's because Bill Self is a systems coach and usually elite-elite stars dont go to Kansas because of it. If Wiggins went to Duke or UK he would have put up huge numbers I think.
 
http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/sto...top-mock-nba-front-office-draft-espn-magazine

1( CLEVELAND CAVALIERS )

ANDREW
WIGGINS
KANSAS SHOOTING GUARD AGE: 19 6-8, 200

His talent is unreal. His game? Still a work in progress.

NBA COMPARABLES
Ceiling: Tracy McGrady
Floor: Chandler Parsons

Wiggins is an out-of-this-world athlete who can score in myriad ways. Considering how open the court is in today's NBA, it's hard to imagine he won't average 20 ppg sooner rather than later. One of the best perimeter defenders in this draft, Wiggins has Paul George-type potential on the defensive end. -- David Thorpe

CHAD FORD'S MOCK TALK
Joel Embiid was the heavy favorite to be the top pick before news of the stress fracture in his foot, which required surgery. Like any team, they will want to see the medical report, but this has seriously dampened their enthusiasm. That leaves two prospects: Wiggins and Jabari Parker. Wiggins worked out for the Cavs and was impressive, according to sources. Although he didn't shoot the ball well, he has improved his ballhandling and showed off his explosive athleticism. He has similar upside to Embiid and can be a defensive presence for the Cavs from day one. But there is a vocal faction within the organization pushing for Parker to be the pick. He is the most NBA-ready, and the Cavs are in a win-now mode. For now, though, I believe Wiggins offers the best combination of upside and impact.

CAVS' REAL PLUS-MINUS*
Cleveland must build around Kyrie Irving, whose backcourt partner is smallish Dion Waiters. An elite wing athlete such as Wiggins alleviates some of the inherent defensive issues and would provide a running mate for Irving in transition. -- Bradford Doolittle

*Real Plus-Minus
"Regular " plus-minus measures the net change in scoring margin while a player is on the floor. So if LeBron James leads the Heat on a 10-0 run and Mario Chalmers is on the court, Chalmers gets a plus-10 rating, just for LeBron being LeBron. Pretty wonky. Enter "real " plus-minus, which uses play-by-play data to determine the impact each player has on each possession. So if Chalmers doesn't touch the ball or give up any points during that 10-0 run, then his RPM is zero. The RPMs listed here represent each player's rating through May 29.




Scout take on Andrew Wiggins
Kevin Pelton, Amin Elhassan, Jeff Goodman | ESPN Insiders

The overwhelming sentiment on Wiggins is that there is no overwhelming sentiment. Eight months after his ballyhooed beginning at Kansas, he enters the NBA draft a divisive prospect. We hit up an NBA scout to get his unadulterated take and asked a few of our NBA insiders -- and Wiggins himself -- to dish back.

The Scout

He's an elite athlete1 and a great on-ball defender.2 I think he will be a very good shooter in the NBA.3 I have questions about his ballhandling and his ability to get past defenders in our league in the halfcourt.4 I'm also not sold on his basketball IQ.5 He does some of the same moves a lot of the time and didn't make the right reads against defenses.6 The other major concern I have is whether he has a killer instinct7 and whether he can be a star.8

1. KEVIN PELTON, ESPN NBA INSIDER

If Wiggins actually has a 44-inch vertical, as his agent told Chad Ford, that would tie him with Shane Larkin for second among NBA players in DraftExpress' database.

2. WIGGINS

I take pride in my defense. When I'm guarding somebody and they score, it bothers me. The next possession I really try to key in.

3. PELTON

Wiggins' college numbers (34.1 3PT %, 77.5 FT %) suggest he'll be an average shooter or slightly better. Players with similar college stats as freshmen made 35.4 percent of their 3s in the NBA.

4. AMIN ELHASSAN, ESPN INSIDER AND FORMER NBA SCOUT

Right now, he's nowhere near good enough to create off the dribble; his handle is high and loose, and he consistently takes wide angles off screens. With some instruction and a lot of work, he should have an easier time creating space.

5. ELHASSAN

I disagree; I think his IQ is fine, but I wonder whether he knows how to compete, how to match the energy of his opponent. For most of his life, minimal effort has been enough to dominate. Can he learn to consistently go a few gears higher than he's ever been?

6. JEFF GOODMAN, ESPN INSIDER

He looked completely lost against zone defenses, especially vs. Stanford in the NCAA tournament (four points, 1-of-6 shooting). And right now, his passing needs a lot of work (54 assists in 35 games).

7. PELTON

Of the 11 All-Star wings who've entered the NBA from college since 2003, only three (DeMar DeRozan, Luol Deng and Andre Iguodala) had lower usage rates in their last NCAA season than Wiggins (26 percent).

8. WIGGINS

I think I'll be a star wherever I go. That's just how confident I am in my ability.
 
This kid could be a Blake Griffin level superstar in the NBA.

People keep forgetting how lull everyone was on him as the #1 overall pick and coming into the league. And his athleticism isn't even half of what Wiggins has.


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Okay then



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Don't know why people say this kid doesn't have handles. His handles and footwork look phenomenal. And his jumper? Thing of beauty. This kid is going to be a bonafide star in the league.
 
Don't know why people say this kid doesn't have handles. His handles and footwork look phenomenal. And his jumper? Thing of beauty. This kid is going to be a bonafide star in the league.

No, his handles don't look beautiful. His jumper is nice though.
 
People keep forgetting how lull everyone was on him as the #1 overall pick and coming into the league. And his athleticism isn't even half of what Wiggins has.


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What??? Blake Griffin might be the most athletic power forward in the NBA right now. He missed his entire first year in the NBA, but he averaged a 20/10 as soon as he stepped on the court.
 

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