A Closer Look at Derrick Williams

[WhoWeAre]

This is confusing to me. Shouldn't positional importance and scarcity be factored into "BPA in terms of potential?" I guess I am having trouble envisioning equal players who arent actually equal.

Anyway, philosophical framing aside, it seems you are trying to simply say that a PG is able to contribute more to winning basketball games than a PF. I think this goes against traditional NBA dogma that preferred big men. Was there a paradigm shift or did you arrive at such a perspective on your own? Can you expound on why you feel so strongly about such a reordering of positional importance?

Huh? Where have you been the last 5-7 years? The NBA has become a PG's league. Just watch a couple games this next season, and you'll start to understand.

Besides, I was talking hypothetically -- as denoted by the big "IF" in front of my post.

IF all other things are equal, a good PG is more important than a good PF -- it's not rocket science and it's not eternal truth -- it's just the way that the NBA is right now.

 

[WhoWeAre]

You have no clue to who DW is. I promise Irving is overrated. He his no Rose or Wall. DW is by far the
best player in this year's draft. Still I expect the Cavs to select Irving. It will be a mistake
mark our words!

How many personalities do you have rolling around in your head? Do they all like Williams...or just most of them? :chuckles:

 

[thegodfather]

I WANT Derrick Williams!!! I think he will have a better career than Irving. Plus it means Knight could be taken at #4 who could end up being just as good or better than Irving. Or any of the other guys like Kanter or Jonas may still be there, but we know everyone (except us apparently) is salivating over DW. He has the whole set of skills you want in a superstar.

 

[MRMsix6]

I WANT Derrick Williams!!! I think he will have a better career than Irving. Plus it means Knight could be taken at #4 who could end up being just as good or better than Irving. Or any of the other guys like Kanter or Jonas may still be there, but we know everyone (except us apparently) is salivating over DW. He has the whole set of skills you want in a superstar.

Sure, Knight could ultimately be better than Irving, but it is not likely based on their current skill sets. Irving is a far, far superior pure PG. Better shooter, passer, ballhandler, decision maker. Knight is slightly more athletic and slightly longer. Both have solid intangibles. Irving is just clearly better at almost everything on the court.

As for everyone salivating over DWill, why is Minnesota shopping the pick so hard if he's going to be a superstar? And it's not like teams are falling over themselves to trade for that #2 pick. Scouts and GMs certainly aren't salivating over him as much as casual fans are. Probably because they saw a lot more of him and watched him have a breakout game vs Duke while Kyrie was injured. Oh and people are partial to monstrous dunks.

 

[Bux42]

The only possible way I see Williams being a better pro than Kyrie is if, God forbid, Kyrie gets injured again. DWill is a solid player but I just don't see him making a big impact in his career. His ceiling is something like 18 and 8 per game IMO, which is great sure, but his defense is similar to Beasley (which is bad). Kyrie's ceiling is somewhere around 20 pts 8 assists per game with great size for the position and fantastic leadership ability. Just cant pass that up, especially since Knight is more of an athlete/scoring point guard without elite ball handling skill.

 

[Douglar]

Both have solid intangibles.

Awesome!! Oh wait. What's that mean?

[video=youtube;HY-03vYYAjA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HY-03vYYAjA[/video]

 

[steveo]

Picking this high in the draft based on potential, throughing the word "could" around, and just repeating what the general populus says are sure fire ways to shooting yourself in the foot.

Call me crazy, but given the 2 major hypothetical scenerios we could draft at 1/4 this year.

Irving and Valacalunis(sp)

or

Williams and Knight/Walker

I take the Williams and Walker combo. Both are top preformers in college, and both are winners.

I just see mega bust written all over Jonas (how did that last 7 ft skinny lithuanian center prospect work out we had, thats right his career is over before it started) and Irving has far too small a body or work to consider risking your franchise on IMO, plus a potential lifelong turf toe injury (this does not go away if you maintain working out often, ask Ladanian Tomlinson) due to a larger bone in his foot.. No thanks.

If we get whoever, ill be cheering, but I just see bad things happening with a irving/jonas combo for the cavs. Call it a 6th sense and crazy.

 

[TheISHT]

MA was a shooter that weighed 200 lbs and like to play on the perimeter. Jonas doesn't have narrow shoulders ad should be able to add weight to his frame. Jonas shoots free throws at a 90% rate so he has the tools to evolve into a pick and pop guy as well as a pick and roll one.

 

[MRMsix6]

Awesome!! Oh wait. What's that mean?

[video=youtube;HY-03vYYAjA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HY-03vYYAjA[/video]

Both seem intelligent, have demonstrated leadership qualities, and come from good backgrounds. This stuff matters, and I'm not sure why you'd be confused by it.

 

[Douglar]

I'm not sure why you'd be confused by it.

If it's a solid intangible, it isn't exactly intangible any more, now is it?

Solid Intangibles :: Circular Squares

 

[MRMsix6]

Picking this high in the draft based on potential, throughing the word "could" around, and just repeating what the general populus says are sure fire ways to shooting yourself in the foot.

Call me crazy, but given the 2 major hypothetical scenerios we could draft at 1/4 this year.

Irving and Valacalunis(sp)

or

Williams and Knight/Walker

I take the Williams and Walker combo. Both are top preformers in college, and both are winners.

I just see mega bust written all over Jonas (how did that last 7 ft skinny lithuanian center prospect work out we had, thats right his career is over before it started) and Irving has far too small a body or work to consider risking your franchise on IMO, plus a potential lifelong turf toe injury (this does not go away if you maintain working out often, ask Ladanian Tomlinson) due to a larger bone in his foot.. No thanks.

If we get whoever, ill be cheering, but I just see bad things happening with a irving/jonas combo for the cavs. Call it a 6th sense and crazy.

Both Williams and Knight/Walker don't have clear NBA positions. Guess who some of the other top performers in college were, who were also "winners": Nolan Smith, Kyle Singler, Jimmer Fredette, and on and on. We're not drafting players to be college stars, we're drafting players to be NBA stars. There is a major difference. Athletic advantages diminish, and size becomes a bigger premium. Derrick Williams will not dominate people athletically nearly as much as he did in college, which was his biggest advantage at the 4.

As for Irving's toe, I trust the Cav's medical staff has done their due dilligence and is comfortable with it. As far as his body of work, did we already forget all of the players who became stars right out of HS? Irving's 11 games at Duke only affirmed that he was rightly pegged as one of the top talents in this draft class.

The people who think Jonas will be a bust in the NBA most commonly cite where is he from as the reason he will fail. Frankly, it mostly seems based on anti-euro prejudice. Forget about the fact that he does everything you want your center to be doing and has rare physical tools, while being 19 years old.

 

[MRMsix6]

If it's a solid intangible, it isn't exactly intangible any more, now is it?

Solid Intangibles :: Circular Squares

Do you always interpret the word solid in the literal sense, as a physical state? If yes, I can see how you'd have some problems.

 

[Douglar]

Do you always interpret the word solid in the literal sense, as a physical state? If yes, I can see how you'd have some problems.

No, I just have a sense of humor about oxymorons.

 

[Jon]

No, I just have a sense of humor about oxymorons.

"Intangible" is just a poor way to describe something that isn't measured by box score statistics. Bad word usage leads to further bad word usage.

When Andy throws his hair in the face of an opposing player causing them to shove him and draw a foul, you can bet they both feel it.

 

[Pavlovic3Ball]

Bigjmac and Tornicide have to be brothers