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A closer look at Enes Kanter

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Cant find the video I saw this on.... But Kanter responded with this when asked who he compares his game to.... "Pau's post moves, Dirk's shot, and Dwight Howard's toughness."

LMAO at least he has confidence. Even if he has 2 out of those 3 features to his game, he will be one of the best big men of all time. :chuckles:
 
Would take Kanter over Jonas V. for sure... Imagine the turkish twin towers Kanter and Erden haha
 
My flip-flopping on Kanter and Valanciunas is really severe right now... I keep going back and forth between them... One day it's Valanciunas, the next it's Kanter... It looks like today is Kanter...

I know I posted yesterday in here about what worries me about Kanter but today I can't stop thinking about what he would bring to the table as opposed to what he wouldn't..

I'm aware he's an unknown but the one thing that is known about him is that his offensive game is polished and he'll be a good scorer in the NBA... And if there's one thing that I think you should get at the top of the draft, it's an impact player offensively because those are much harder to find than someone like Valanciunas... I'm not saying Valanciunas can't be a decent offensive player or won't be a good player but those types of players can be more easily acquired than someone who has the potential to be a very good big man offensively...

I really do think Kanter will be a very good big offensively because of his size and polish around the block along with his range for a guy his size... And those traits are hard to find in a big man, which is why I'd worry about passing him...

Getting Kanter and Irving would give us two legitimate players going forward that we can start to build around... Whereas with Valanciunas and Irving, I see Irving as a building block and Valanciunas as an accessory/role player someone who we can build with but not around... I may be wrong in that assessment but when you're drafting this high you need building blocks and I think Kanter may have a better chance of doing that...
 
Smooth said:
My flip-flopping on Kanter and Valanciunas is really severe right now... I keep going back and forth between them... One day it's Valanciunas, the next it's Kanter... It looks like today is Kanter...

I know I posted yesterday in here about what worries me about Kanter but today I can't stop thinking about what he would bring to the table as opposed to what he wouldn't..

I'm aware he's an unknown but the one thing that is known about him is that his offensive game is polished and he'll be a good scorer in the NBA... And if there's one thing that I think you should get at the top of the draft, it's an impact player offensively because those are much harder to find than someone like Valanciunas... I'm not saying Valanciunas can't be a decent offensive player or won't be a good player but those types of players can be more easily acquired than someone who has the potential to be a very good big man offensively...

I really do think Kanter will be a very good big offensively because of his size and polish around the block along with his range for a guy his size... And those traits are hard to find in a big man, which is why I'd worry about passing him...

Getting Kanter and Irving would give us two legitimate players going forward that we can start to build around... Whereas with Valanciunas and Irving, I see Irving as a building block and Valanciunas as an accessory/role player someone who we can build with but not around... I may be wrong in that assessment but when you're drafting this high you need building blocks and I think Kanter may have a better chance of doing that...
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This whole post is exactly how I feel. I can't decide. Basically because I have never seen them play besides all the youtube videos. I do agree with you though that at the #4 pick we should be drafting a potential game changer. A guy that can score for you and be a beast on offense. You can find guys like Jonas. We already have a guy like him on the roster (Varejao).

I also think it is easier to become a good defender than it is to add offense to your game. If Kanter is truly as polished offensively as some say he is, I want him over Jonas. Kanter *should* be a beast on the glass with as big and strong as he is. The guy is 19 and is massive already. I could honestly see him challenging Howard as the strongest guy in the NBA in 3-4 years. I think everyone agrees Kanter > Jonas offensively. I think Kanter *should* be AT THE VERY LEAST just a little worse of a rebounder than Jonas. So the only thing Jonas has on Kanter is his overall defense. Even there, people have said he has gotten pushed around vs bigger centers.

So really, if you put everything we have heard together, it looks something like this.....

Offense:
Post game = Kanter
Isolation = Kanter
Jumper = Kanter
Pick n Pop = Kanter
Pick n Roll = Jonas

Defense:
Pick n Roll defense = Jonas
Help Defense = Jonas
Rebounding = Not sure? Both are supposed to be very good.
Individual man defense = Not sure. Could be Kanter vs bigger guys and Jonas vs quicker guys.

When I look at that, it really makes me want Kanter. But once again, we really don't know shit about these guys. All that info I just posted is based on what I have read, not actually seen. So who really knows?
 
Smooth said:
My flip-flopping on Kanter and Valanciunas is really severe right now... I keep going back and forth between them... One day it's Valanciunas, the next it's Kanter... It looks like today is Kanter...

I know I posted yesterday in here about what worries me about Kanter but today I can't stop thinking about what he would bring to the table as opposed to what he wouldn't..

I'm aware he's an unknown but the one thing that is known about him is that his offensive game is polished and he'll be a good scorer in the NBA... And if there's one thing that I think you should get at the top of the draft, it's an impact player offensively because those are much harder to find than someone like Valanciunas... I'm not saying Valanciunas can't be a decent offensive player or won't be a good player but those types of players can be more easily acquired than someone who has the potential to be a very good big man offensively...

I really do think Kanter will be a very good big offensively because of his size and polish around the block along with his range for a guy his size... And those traits are hard to find in a big man, which is why I'd worry about passing him...

Getting Kanter and Irving would give us two legitimate players going forward that we can start to build around... Whereas with Valanciunas and Irving, I see Irving as a building block and Valanciunas as an accessory/role player someone who we can build with but not around... I may be wrong in that assessment but when you're drafting this high you need building blocks and I think Kanter may have a better chance of doing that...
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I hear you. It's damn hard not to flip flop on who we should get. But all we can do as fans is put our faith in Grant and the Cavs front office that they know SO MUCH more than we do, and will ultimately pick the right guy. Get here already, Thursday!
 
Kanter has been my choce for a while but as long as we get one of the two I'll be happy. Getting a young center will be huge...the only way we blow this is if we trade the pick for Gay/Iggy etc.
 
I'm with you smooth. I keep flip-flopping between the two and won't have a problem whichever one we draft. Though I have always leaned a little more towards Kanter.
 
sailfish said:
I personally want no part of Kanter. I'd take Valanciunas or Biyombo over Kanter.

Washington reportedly wants Kanter though and they might now be willing to trade up to secure him. #6 & #18 for #4 anyone??
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Care to elaborate on that first statement? Why would you want no part of Kanter? You might prefer Valanciunas, yet that is too strong of a statement.

And don't even get me started on Biyombo. I lost count of the insanely athletic big men with no offensive skills, who turned out to be busts.

About the trade, I'd actually do that if Valanciunas is there at 6, whether there is a buyout or not.
 
Jezzar said:
Care to elaborate on that first statement? Why would you want no part of Kanter? You might prefer Valanciunas, yet that is too strong of a statement.

And don't even get me started on Biyombo. I lost count of the insanely athletic big men with no offensive skills, who turned out to be busts.

About the trade, I'd actually do that if Valanciunas is there at 6, whether there is a buyout or not.
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Gladly. The reason I don't like Kanter is this:

-he has a relatively short winsgspan and standing reach for a center, which makes me think he might be more of a power forward in the NBA.
-Kanter isn't very athletic, which means he could struggle against more athletic power forwards.
-from the limited game film, Kanter's defense is pretty atrocious.

He's a guy who is seemingly caught between positions, lacking the size to play center and the athleticism to play power forward.
 
sailfish said:
Gladly. The reason I don't like Kanter is this:

-he has a relatively short winsgspan and standing reach for a center, which makes me think he might be more of a power forward in the NBA.
-Kanter isn't very athletic, which means he could struggle against more athletic power forwards.
-from the limited game film, Kanter's defense is pretty atrocious.

He's a guy who is seemingly caught between positions, lacking the size to play center and the athleticism to play power forward.
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At first when I looked at the measurements for Kanter, I thought well, he's 6'11 and 260, that's good size for a center. But when you start looking into the other measurements, he doesn't have the length you want at the center spot and he seems to lack the defensive smarts (or willingness) to lock down the paint. I think he might be better off as a PF than a C. I think he could be a taller Boozer, but not as bad defensively. He seems like he would be a decent to good 1v1 defender, but he wont be a defensive anchor.
 
Snowblind said:
At first when I looked at the measurements for Kanter, I thought well, he's 6'11 and 260, that's good size for a center. But when you start looking into the other measurements, he doesn't have the length you want at the center spot and he seems to lack the defensive smarts (or willingness) to lock down the paint. I think he might be better off as a PF than a C. I think he could be a taller Boozer, but not as bad defensively. He seems like he would be a decent to good 1v1 defender, but he wont be a defensive anchor.
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Yep. Kanter's wingspan is only 7'1.5", which is only 1/2" more than Marshon Brooks'. Also his standing reach of 9'1.5" is well below average for a top 10 center prospect.
I can see why Washington might be interested in kanter, as he would seemingly be a nice pairing with the long & super-athletic, but offensively challenged JaVale McGee.
 
sailfish said:
Gladly. The reason I don't like Kanter is this:

-he has a relatively short winsgspan and standing reach for a center, which makes me think he might be more of a power forward in the NBA.
-Kanter isn't very athletic, which means he could struggle against more athletic power forwards.
-from the limited game film, Kanter's defense is pretty atrocious.

He's a guy who is seemingly caught between positions, lacking the size to play center and the athleticism to play power forward.
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1) I do understand your concerns about his measurements. While they are not great, 6'11, 260 is decent size for a center. Also, Kanter uses his body very well to create separation from defenders, his height and standing reach should not be concerns. If he was your typical finesse big, I'd agree, however that is not the case.

2) Again, Kanter is a center and he should see only limited time at the 4 spot. I'd say that his athleticism is fine for a center.

3) I'm assuming you are talking about the Nike Hoops footage. That is by no means an indication of Kanter's defense. I've seen him play very good defense on bigger players when he was 16. I'm pretty sure he has not regressed. As I said before, he has the motivation and the talent to be a decent defender.

Back to the basket game usually translates well to pros, so I'm almost certain that Kanter will be a very good scoring big man in the NBA. Really, the choice between Kanter and Valanciunas is not about one being inferior player, its more about which type of player the Cavs want: a bigger Boozer, or a more skilled Varejao.
 
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