A Closer Look at Jabari Parker

[Mr. Orange]

I've been looking at some of the advanced stats at Sports Reference. None of these prospects is close to a Irving or A. Davis. Not even Embiid. Hell, Dion would be the best prospect in this draft based on his sophomore year (not freshman), and Bennett would too. Not saying he would be my pick (I change every hour) but based on win share and PER, Jabari Parker stands out over Andrew Wiggins. I know Chris Grant isn't here, but the Cavs do like their metrics. I'm just saying....

Also it would be real nice if we got to see two college seasons of most of these players.

 

[MirORich]

Man, I can't wait till we just make the pick, because by Thursday morning the Parker supporters on this board will be telling you that Wiggins is essentially Gerald Green and the Wiggins supporters will be telling you that Parker is Jared Dudley.

Personally I love multiple aspects of both kids game. I think any smart coaching staff(and we seem to have one in place) can do a ton of positive things with either, both as rookies and long term.

But, back to it guys....

 

[Gimme Some Mo]

I think everyone agrees Jabari will win ROY. That's not a reason to take him imo.

If EVERYONE really agrees on that, then yes, we do need to take him and that is an EXCELLENT reason to take him. History shows that the guy that is ready to help NOW is also usually the guy that ends up being the best, or one of the best, players in the draft class. Let's go back and look. I am skipping the past 2 seasons because it is too early to tell who the best players are at this point....

2011 - ROY - Kyrie Irving (Still the best player in the class)
2010 - ROY - Blake Griffin (Drafted in 09 though. Missed a season because injury. IMO still the best player in that 09 draft class, but you could argue Harden or Curry)
2009 - ROY - Tyreke won it (wouldn't have if Griffin played that year.... but there were other players that are now better than Tyreke)
2008 - ROY - D. Rose (still the best player when healthy)
2007 - ROY - Kevin Durant (obviously still the best player)
2006 - ROY - Brandon Roy (when Roy was healthy, the only player that is now better is LaMarcus Aldridge)
2005 - ROY - Chris Paul (still best player)
2004 - ROY - Emeka Okafor (Had a solid career, but Dwight Howard obviously ended up being WAY better in the long run... This is one case where potential easily won out over the "ready" player)
2003 - ROY - LeBron (still best player)
2002 - ROY - Amare (only player arguably better was Yao)

In those 10 drafts, IMO the ROY ended up being the best player in draft class 6 times. Amare is 1 or 2 in his class. Roy is 1 or 2 in his class. The only 2 that didn't end up being a top 2 player from their class was Okafor and Evans.

So if Jabari really is a lock to win the ROY, which pretty much everyone has said, then I am going with history and taking him.

* Sorry if I overlooked somebody obvious. I tried doing this as quick as possible and really only quickly glanced at the top 15-20 picks or so.... Point stands either way.*

 

[OptimusPrime]

If EVERYONE really agrees on that, then yes, we do need to take him and that is an EXCELLENT reason to take him. History shows that the guy that is ready to help NOW is also usually the guy that ends up being the best, or one of the best, players in the draft class. Let's go back and look. I am skipping the past 2 seasons because it is too early to tell who the best players are at this point....

2011 - ROY - Kyrie Irving (Still the best player in the class)
2010 - ROY - Blake Griffin (Drafted in 09 though. Missed a season because injury. IMO still the best player in that 09 draft class, but you could argue Harden or Curry)
2009 - ROY - Tyreke won it (wouldn't have if Griffin played that year.... but there were other players that are now better than Tyreke)
2008 - ROY - D. Rose (still the best player when healthy)
2007 - ROY - Kevin Durant (obviously still the best player)
2006 - ROY - Brandon Roy (when Roy was healthy, the only player that is now better is LaMarcus Aldridge)
2005 - ROY - Chris Paul (still best player)
2004 - ROY - Emeka Okafor (Had a solid career, but Dwight Howard obviously ended up being WAY better in the long run... This is one case where potential easily won out over the "ready" player)
2003 - ROY - LeBron (still best player)
2002 - ROY - Amare (only player arguably better was Yao)

In those 10 drafts, IMO the ROY ended up being the best player in draft class 6 times. Amare is 1 or 2 in his class. Roy is 1 or 2 in his class. The only 2 that didn't end up being a top 2 player from their class was Okafor and Evans.

So if Jabari really is a lock to win the ROY, which pretty much everyone has said, then I am going with history and taking him.

* Sorry if I overlooked somebody obvious. I tried doing this as quick as possible and really only quickly glanced at the top 15-20 picks or so.... Point stands either way.*

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation

 

["Boobie" Gibson]

I will leave it at this:


http://mweb.cbssports.com/nba/eye-o...n-mclemore-slipping-because-of-workout-issues



"Work out issues" seem to pop up every year. Funny huh?

Lol I've been reading sporadically so I'm not entirely sure, are you trolling?

 

[Tornicade]

Lol I've been reading sporadically so I'm not entirely sure, are you trolling?

I actually think Randolph is holding a lot of restraint at the moment.

 

[Winnersville]

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on...-prefers-bucks-might-have-tanked-cavs-workout


Don't know if this has been posted yet but I'm set on wiggins now after this. Smh.

 

[Chris]

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on...-prefers-bucks-might-have-tanked-cavs-workout


Don't know if this has been posted yet but I'm set on wiggins now after this. Smh.

Nt sur if srs

 

[Binkster]

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on...-prefers-bucks-might-have-tanked-cavs-workout


Don't know if this has been posted yet but I'm set on wiggins now after this. Smh.

He did WHAT?!

 

[TJ Detweiler]

This is irrelevant but just the fact that we are debating prospects that are my age, or younger than me (i'm going to be a sophomore in college) who are about to make millions of dollars.. It's kind of surreal.

 

[noob cake]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation

In this case, we are not arguing that ROY causes a successful career. As long as the two events are correlated, we are good. Who knows what leads to a successful career, we damn well know that winning the ROY is highly correlated with other factors that contribute to a sucessful career.

 

[Shack]

I think everyone agrees Jabari will win ROY. That's not a reason to take him imo.

I personally am not as sold on Jabari winning ROY as others. He could very well struggle with his jumpshot rookie year for example. ROY has seemed to favor guards who dribble the ball the most lately.

Personally I'm betting on whoever PHI takes. For example if they they took Smart/Exum and traded MCW... Smart/Exum get the most shots on that team, in a fast paced stat inflating system with no responsibility... I'm taking that guy to win ROY. Even their 10th pick could come into play, for example McBuckets in Philly? Maybe. Orlando drafting Exum 4th would be another strong ROY candidate to me.

 

[getBUCKED]

Watched a bunch of film on him last night and he is definitely an impressive prospect. He has a knack for scoring the same way Kyrie does, but he is rather dependent on his jump shot. He rarely attacks the paint from the perimeter in the half court and doesn't have many dribble moves (didn't see a single cross over) to get by his defender and get to the rim. His post up game is really good though as he has a lot of moves in the post. He is also extremely aggressive in transition and has great ability to grab the rebound and take it coast to coast.

It will be really interesting to see what position he ends up at, because I'm starting to lean towards him becoming a PF 5 years down the road, which is not what our team really needs. His physicality around the rim reminds me of a banger but his actual physique is very underwhelming because he looked pudgy all season.

 

[Jack Brickman]

Man, I can't wait till we just make the pick, because by Thursday morning the Parker supporters on this board will be telling you that Wiggins is essentially Gerald Green and the Wiggins supporters will be telling you that Parker is Jared Dudley.

Personally I love multiple aspects of both kids game. I think any smart coaching staff(and we seem to have one in place) can do a ton of positive things with either, both as rookies and long term.

But, back to it guys....

Yeah, I am totally fine with either. I have a slight preference toward Wiggins, but either way it looks like we're getting a potentially great player. Hard to be pissed about that given who we were discussing choosing between a month ago. :chuckles:

 

[Lumthemad]

Perhaps Parker "tanked" on his workout because of all of the Cavalier successful tanking campaigns in the past. He thought he was showcasing something our team loved.

From the eye-test angle of things, Parker wins hands down. He's a versitile kid with a lot of ability to score in various ways. I love his game just a slight bit more. Tough call for the Cavs.