A Closer Look at Jared Sullinger

[ThisIsYourDad]

You can thank Baron Davis for making Ryan Hollins look like a serviceable big man. Christ, this should be obvious.

Tyson Chandler with even less talent?

 

[Derek]

So, gregdawg, a couple alley-oops, poor defense and weak rebounding is supposed to make people eat crow in regards to Hollins?

He still sucks

Varejao averaged 10 and 10 with over 2.5 stocks while playing All-League defense in the month before his injury and you gave him zero credit yet you start slobbering when Hollins, who is only 2 years younger averages 8.5 and 4 with 2 stocks and weak defense over a 10 game span while getting almost the same minutes Andy got.

 

[Lee]

So a couple alley-oops, poor defense and weak rebounding is supposed to make people eat crow in regards to Hollins?

He still fuckin sucks

Varejao averaged 10 and 10 with over 2.5 stocks while playing All-League defense and you gave him zero credit yet you start slobbering when Hollins, who is only 2 years younger averages 8.5 and 4 with 2 stocks and weak defense over a 10 game span while getting almost the same minutes Andy got.

So what are you saying? Its not clear to me, whats your opinion of Hollins?

 

[The Oi]

Varejao averaged 10 and 10 with over 2.5 stocks

That kind of defense really paid dividends...

 

[Derek]

That kind of defense really paid dividends...

not sure I see your point. His defense was obviously an asset.

 

[B Mac]

not sure I see your point. His defense was obviously an asset.

You'd just think the market for someone like him would be higher if that was the case.

 

[Kouki]

Varejao is the kind of guy you make an investment in...he's a guy who's ticker just keeps going and going.

 

[DougHeil]

Is this a Sullinger thread, or is this a Hollins, an investments, or a stocks and bonds thread? At this point I seriously do not know.

 

[Jon]

He has the potential to be a shot blocker and defender of the paint...as opposed to Andy who doesn't have the leaping ability to ever be a shot blocker.

Shot blocking is more about timing than leaping. That's why Andy leads the team with 1.6 per 36, and Hollins is at 1.2, and JJ with all his athletic ability is at 0.9.

Likewise defending the paint is more about knowing where you're supposed to be and how to help than height/strength.

Chris Paul turned Tyson Chandler in to a player by making him viable on offense, but Chandler already had already demonstrated the defensive, rebounding, and shot-blocking abilities. He'd developed those in Chicago. Ben Wallace had mad hops when he came in to the league, but he also had the rebounds and blocks to show he knew what to do with it.

Anwyay, an alley-oop play is not going to make a career. At least not against a good team. Hollins had 2 pts and 2 boards .vs. the Bulls with their Noah/Boozer front-court. Andy was 7 for 7 for 17pts with 12 rebounds and a couple of steals back on December 8th against the same front line.

I don't have a problem if you want to be on Hollin's bandwagon. This is a fan board after all, just stop trying to tear down Varejao in the effort ... and if you like long shots, you should get on the Semih Erden bandwagon. He has the potential to be a true center and has at least shown the right kind of attitude.

 

[tn819]

Likewise defending the paint is more about knowing where you're supposed to be and how to help than height/strength.

Chris Paul turned Tyson Chandler in to a player by making him viable on offense, but Chandler already had already demonstrated the defensive, rebounding, and shot-blocking abilities. He'd developed those in Chicago. Ben Wallace had mad hops when he came in to the league, but he also had the rebounds and blocks to show he knew what to do with it.

The Tyson Chandler example serves your point, but Ben Wallace's effectiveness was grounded in his pure strength, not his instincts, even though those were good too. Big Ben was one of the strongest guys in the league, if not the strongest. He pulled his boards down with brute strength. Go to 1:30, he tells it himself.

[video=youtube;qjc9EnhzKWI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjc9EnhzKWI&feature=player_detailpage#t=90s[/video]

 

[mcfly]

Wall Street.

 

[Jon]

The Tyson Chandler example serves your point, but Ben Wallace's effectiveness was grounded in his pure strength, not his instincts, even though those were good too. Big Ben was one of the strongest guys in the league, if not the strongest. He pulled his boards down with brute strength. Go to 1:30, he tells it himself.

[video=youtube;qjc9EnhzKWI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjc9EnhzKWI&feature=player_detailpage#t=90s[/video]

Neat article, but there's no magic formula to excellence in the NBA. Strength played a big role in helping him compensate for his size, but strength alone does not make for a good/great rebounder. And while we didn't see it in Cleveland, he had great hops early in his career that helped him go up to grab boards and block shots. The Ben in DC, however, was nothing like the Ben in Detroit. He was very raw with the Wiz and there was just no way to know he'd put so many things together that would allow him to compensate for his deficiencies. His technique and instincts are top-notch.

 

[czvo]

yes...i still believe that to be considered a legit STARTING center, you should average around 10 ppg at the least. Sure, Hollins is only averaging 8.4 so far, but has shown a lot of potential to be a 10-12 ppg guy. He has had games of 13, 16, and 14 points...there's no reason he can't eventually do that every game. like i said, his problems are all mental. He has ridiculous athleticism for a 7 footer...just watch him run and jump and you can see the athleticism oozing out of him...but you can tell he doesn't have a lot of experience and he hasn't shown much motivation, which has held him back (he doesn't go after rebounds, bobbles passes occasionally, etc.). if he can get his head straight and focus, he can be a 12 ppg, 8 rpg guy...

the difference between Andy and Hollins is that Hollins is a crazy high jumper and has the body of a true 7 footer...7 feet tall, with long arms, and strong. He has the potential to be a shot blocker and defender of the paint...as opposed to Andy who doesn't have the leaping ability to ever be a shot blocker. Hollins is a true center, Andy is not. Hollins' ceiling is higher than Andy's...whether he reaches that ceiling is up to him...

again...he's not better than Andy, but he has the potential to be better than Andy eventually.

Mental in that he has no idea how to play the game? Because Ryan Hollins has the basketball IQ of a rock.

 

[Adam]

The worse thing you can say about a player is their problem is all mental, you can teach someone to shoot, but to teach them how to think the game is much harder