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I think our glaring hole on this team is at SF...joey grahm and moon are not going to cut it. They would not start on any other team in the association. I think a trade for Iggy or Bill Walker, who are both available right now would make alot of sense. I feel like Jamison is a waste on this team. JJ can start and then Powe off the bench then play Samo if needed. I am just not sure philly would want him, they cant find time for thaddeus young and brand is a beast this year. Actually if they would deal us brand that would be nice, that guy is a beast and could be the best teacher for JJ since they are very similar.

Bottom line is this team is not right....we are top heavy and the 1 and 4 and very light at the 2,3, and 5...we need to bring some balance.

Mo can go...just not feeling his game...he is not a pg that fits Scotts system.....We need a pass first point for this system....ala kidd or paul. This coming draft look for that to happen, but in the mean time Sessions and boobs can run this team.

Simple trade MO and TWAN for upgrades at the 2, 3, and 5......do it grant, do it.
 
The Knicks have expressed that they want a back-up point guard. I dont think NY has much to offer, I wouldn't mind getting Bill Walker, but my first choice would be Wilson Chandler. I would love that.
 
I think there's a good chance the Cavs will make this trade if it happens soon (week or two), no chance later in the season. If they wait til the deadline, there's no point at all. If the team is 20 games under 500 and the fans are pissed, who is going to care about getting Igoudala? He's not a household name to the average Cavs fan.

The only way I can see him coming here is through the trade exemption for damage control. Especially if there's a lockout and the Cavs don't have to pay him next year.

I also think the move won't hurt the Cavs as much as people think if we can unload some combination Jamison, Parker, Moe. If they want first round draft picks and don't want any of our guys, not worth the trade. Based on what's happening now, the Cavs need three years to draft and build anyways. By the time they're ready to add legitimate FA pieces again, Igoudala will be off the books.
 
I think there's a good chance the Cavs will make this trade if it happens soon (week or two), no chance later in the season. If they wait til the deadline, there's no point at all. If the team is 20 games under 500 and the fans are pissed, who is going to care about getting Igoudala? He's not a household name to the average Cavs fan.

The only way I can see him coming here is through the trade exemption for damage control. Especially if there's a lockout and the Cavs don't have to pay him next year.

I also think the move won't hurt the Cavs as much as people think if we can unload some combination Jamison, Parker, Moe. If they want first round draft picks and don't want any of our guys, not worth the trade. Based on what's happening now, the Cavs need three years to draft and build anyways. By the time they're ready to add legitimate FA pieces again, Igoudala will be off the books.

This post is all gibberish.... he is not a household name with the average cav's fan so they go and grab him now before we are 20 games under 500??? The whole by the time they are ready to add legitimate FA pieces line is a crock..

The Cavs will build the only two ways they can, the draft and trades. FA's big name ones, are not coming to Cleveland ... repeat after me DRAFT and TRADES, DRAFT and TRADES,DRAFT and TRADES,
 
Who the hell are they gonna trade? The players drafted?

Breaking news...your drafted players will become free agents.
 
"he is not a household name with the average cav's fan so they go and grab him now before we are 20 games under 500???"

Winning keeps fans interested. If this team goes into the total garbage, and then no basketball next year, it will set the team back 5 more years. I'm sure Dan Gilbert doesn't want to have a product with no fan base and no talent on the court.

There's a pretty big problem with trying to get draft picks this year. Why would any college player enter the draft to get picked and then not paid. This year's draft will have no talent in it unless the lockout is avoided ahead of it. If you want to gamble on the lockout, then gamble on players who will enter the draft, then gamble on your draft picks, go for it. This is a year to avoid the draft.
 
#1 AI2 is not going to improve the problem the current cavs have. It does nothing to help open the floor, his salary prevents you from taking on Salary in trades that can net you young talent.
#2 look at what you wrote.. if AI2 is not a household name with the average cavs fan when they are 20 game below 500 why would the average fan care about him now, Semantics? I think you are confused or mis-stated that.

As far as the lock out and the draft go, have you bothered to look at the 98-99 draft at all?

http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1998.html

I don't know about you... but I would build a team around a young:

Vince Carter
Dirk
Paul Pierce

Its not like their weren't productive players in that draft....

Hell Jamison was in that draft, Jason Williams was ... To assume that players are just going to pass on the draft because of a potential lock out or lock out shorten season is some what asanine. Yes those players just might not get paid that one season.. but what if they go back and tear an acl... or play worse and hurt their draft stock. The fact is if they are talented and a lottery pick they will come out and they will get drafted.
 
#1 AI2 is not going to improve the problem the current cavs have. It does nothing to help open the floor, his salary prevents you from taking on Salary in trades that can net you young talent.
#2 look at what you wrote.. if AI2 is not a household name with the average cavs fan when they are 20 game below 500 why would the average fan care about him now, Semantics? I think you are confused or mis-stated that.

As far as the lock out and the draft go, have you bothered to look at the 98-99 draft at all?

http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1998.html

I don't know about you... but I would build a team around a young:

Vince Carter
Dirk
Paul Pierce

Its not like their weren't productive players in that draft....

Hell Jamison was in that draft, Jason Williams was ... To assume that players are just going to pass on the draft because of a potential lock out or lock out shorten season is some what asanine. Yes those players just might not get paid that one season.. but what if they go back and tear an acl... or play worse and hurt their draft stock. The fact is if they are talented and a lottery pick they will come out and they will get drafted.

He absolutely does help with current Cavs problems...how much he helps and if it translates to more wins is harder to predict. But Joey Grahm has zero offensive game, with exception to a wide open lay-up. He sucks in transition, is a weak ball-handler, and cannot shoot at all. AI2 instantly helps this team get out and run, and can also attack from the wing off the dribble. Something we have NONE of right now....Parker can't penetrate, Moon can't, and Grahm can't.

Just giving Mo a guy he can give the ball to on the wing, and can create their own shot is something the Cavs need badly.
 
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Andre Iguodala is on the block
By Kelly Dwyer

Andre Iguodala(notes) is on the trading block probably, and that makes a good deal of sense. His Philadelphia 76ers are struggling, Doug Collins has declined to hand him the "you-run-everything" point-wing role Collins handed both Grant Hill(notes) and Michael Jordan, and Iguodala is talented enough to help a team that could use someone who is good at just about everything, though not overwhelmingly.

Of course, you have to go easy with these things. Partially because A.I. makes a lot of money. Over $56 million spread out from now until 2014, according to ShamSports.com. But mainly because -- and I apologize for going all general columnist on you -- I don't know if he's that guy. Of course, it's a decade-long bias that has me thinking this way.

There was an NBA preview magazine I remember sneaking glances at between classes, as the months led up to the 1996-97 season. And among the many lines I've stolen and ideologies I've clung to in the years since reading and re-reading that thing, one bit of armchair GM'ing stood out.

San Antonio Spurs All-Star Sean Elliott, the magazine told me, would be better off as a third wheel. Sure, this is easy analysis, but the simplicity got to me. The idea that there were tiers to be acknowledged beyond the two "stars" NBC or ESPN showed you on screen. That things could change, seats could move, and that a pretty good team in San Antonio could be pretty great. Not to be outdone, because Hakeem Olajuwon was ticked or because Dennis Rodman couldn't get along.

And by the time next year's magazine came along, Elliott was that third wheel, behind David Robinson and rookie Tim Duncan(notes). Now while I'm not suggesting that teams break the foot of their franchise center, fire their coach within a month, hire the GM to run the sideline, sign Monty Williams to take copious amounts of shots and bank on breaking the odds on the lottery to acquire a pivotman for the ages, I do suggest a reasonable attribution when it comes to the stylings of stars and semi-stars.

And I'd suggest to Cleveland, a team that is reported to be interested in Iguodala, that it take it easy in trying to bring in a person that a Cleveland-area paper termed "LeBron Lite."

Because LeBron James(notes), full and hearty, couldn't win with this Cavaliers team. And while you'd like to think that LeBron, rich and full of delicious calories, could have won with Cleveland had he not given up on those Cavs last May, it's probably fair to suggest that LeBron made himself "LeBron Lite" as he moped through that Boston series last year. And even in that watered-down state, could you really imagine Andre Iguodala approximating the same results?

Iguodala puts up great stats, and stats are documentation of production gone both good or bad, so it would be foolish to dismiss the way the guy helps a team toward victory. He can score, pass, rebound and do the sorts of athletic things (finishing in transition, grabbing steals and coming up with blocks) that aid a team toward the goal among goals.

But as a go-to guy? Even a second option? He's just not that guy.

Because he shoots. He shoots from far away, and his teams have suffered as a result. Whether it's in the playoffs against the Pistons or the Magic, or this month while Doug Collins gets more and more frustrated. Sure, as Collins pointed out, the defenses tend to "wall up" against Iggy as he prepares to work in an offense that (through no fault of his own) has absolutely no spacing. But we've seen him with spacing and no wall to work through. The guy still shoots. Which is why he'd do fine as a second option. Quite well. But it's also why he'd do brilliantly, championship-level'y, as a third option.


This doesn't mean that any team trying to acquire Andre (who is working under a top-gear contract that might be more than prohibitive to any team even if he is a first-tier option) should move forward with him in mind as the Elliott to David Robinson's Tim Duncan. It just means he's not going to automatically put anyone over the top. Because even second-tier go-to guys have to have an idea in mind once the play breaks down, things go pear-shaped and the ball ends up in Deborah Kerr's hands.

(She was in a lot of movies in a supporting role. Never mind.)

Sadly for A.I. and the Sixers, the contract that Iguodala signed back in the summer of 2008 -- that seemed just about right to just about everyone -- could prevent the sort of trade needed to make all sides happy. For the 76ers, Andre, and whoever tracks down his services. And even more importantly, should such a trade go through, Iguodala's brand of ball might prove the most frustrating to those whose expectations are stuck way, way too high.
 
Iggy is some sort of an attacker. We need that. We need someone who is going to go get it and score. We won't succeed with Iggy, but he will make this team better with a more productive scorer than what we got now at the 2 or 3, and he can rebound, pass, and defend. Right now we have no one to defend the elite shooting guards and small forwards of this league, and he could help improve our team defense. He might actually be someone who will stand up in the locker room and be a leader. We need all of this badly.

But the bad thing is his contract. I don't know if I want it.
 
I originally created this thread thinking we had a .500 team without any trades. Seeing that we're as bad as we are, I wouldn't touch Andre Iguodala with a ten foot pole.
 
Cross Iguodala Off The List: A number of NBA teams have made inquiries on the availability of Sixers' guard Andre Iguodala in trade and all of them were turned away according to 76ers sources.

The Sixers seem unwilling to entertain trade packages for Iggy according to a source that inquired about him recently, saying that the team is exploring other ways to improve and that their stance is that Iguodala is still a cornerstone player for the team and not on the market.

Having won five of their last ten games, the Sixers are creeping up from the basement in the East and sniffing at the 8th seed. As Head Coach Doug Collins explains it, their improvements have been tied to Iguodala's buy in.

"I think Andre is just starting to really hit his stride," Collins said to The Philadelphia Inquirer. "I really feel he is incredibly engaged with us right now. I think he feels good about what we are trying to get accomplished and where we are headed."

The Sixers have won five of their last seven games against middle tier opponents, but in that span Iguodala has scored an average of 13.4 points per game while grabbing 7.4 rebounds.

On the season Iguodala is averaging 14.1 points, 6.7 rebounds and 5.8 assists per game, while shooting 43.7% from the field and 33.3 % from three point range.

Iguodala is slated to earn roughly $14.67 million this season and is owed $14.85 million in 2011-2012, $16.04 million in 2012-2013 and has an early termination option in 2013-2014 worth 17.23 million.

Sources close the situation said the Sixers are more open to adding a player or players to Iguodala rather than trading him.

A glance at the Sixers roster shows a team that far more likely to package a couple of their younger players for a serious veteran rather than continuing to try and find playing time for a bench full of second and third year players.

great news for us.
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Speights and Young for Jamison/Parker/2nd rounder?
 

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