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[MarkPriceFan]

WTF!
Melo
Kyrie
Love
LBJ
Are you serious ?! Do you think that we can win with this lineup?!
Who will defend?! My mother?!
The only one who plays some defense from these 4 is LBJ!
Yes we maybe are going to score again 115p a game, but GSW will gonna have an offensive fest on us every damn game!
Some of you don't have any idea what was our mean issues vs the GSW!
We played terrible defense
We have no bench
Our offense wasn't really an issue at all so why the hell do we need to bring Melo here? Melo isn't a winner and he is such a cancer and refuse to play hard and he isn't trying in the defense end at all!



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Well the assumption would be that we would outscore just about everyone but still have flexibility. Obviously Melo would want to start and so Love would bump down to C to start games. Melo rests early and often bumping Love back up to PF. When Melo comes back in Lebron rests and Melo takes over the scoring off the bench.

Yes, its a unit predicated on outscoring teams, including the Warriors, but obviously our other moves would have to be centered around defense. Say Tony Allen for backup PG and Sefolosha to backup Lebron. Maybe even see if we can resign Bogut for rim protection?

Trade TT/Frye/RJ for Melo/O'Quinn

PG: Kyrie, Allen, Felder
SG: JR, Korver, Shump
SF: Lebron, Sefolosha, Osman
PF: Melo, O'Quinn, Derek Williams
C: Love, Bogut, Tavares

 

[Triplethreat]

Well the assumption would be that we would outscore just about everyone but still have flexibility. Obviously Melo would want to start and so Love would bump down to C to start games. Melo rests early and often bumping Love back up to PF. When Melo comes back in Lebron rests and Melo takes over the scoring off the bench.

Yes, its a unit predicated on outscoring teams, including the Warriors, but obviously our other moves would have to be centered around defense. Say Tony Allen for backup PG and Sefolosha to backup Lebron. Maybe even see if we can resign Bogut for rim protection?

Trade TT/Frye/RJ for Melo/O'Quinn

PG: Kyrie, Allen, Felder
SG: JR, Korver, Shump
SF: Lebron, Sefolosha, Osman
PF: Melo, O'Quinn, Derek Williams
C: Love, Bogut, Tavares

If you can swap Love for PG, this is an absolute dream off-season for the Cavaliers.

 

[Funkmastabuck]

If the Knicks are determined to trade Carmelo strictly for financial reasons and not expecting prospects in return, there is a way for the Cavs to make the money work without losing Love.

Shump + Frye + Jefferson = Carmelo

The downside would be we'd lose a ton of leadership, as Frye and Jefferson seem very deeply embedded in the culture. And with Carmelo, LeBron, and Love, we have 3 guys to start at the 3 & 4 positions, and none of them would realistically start at SG or C.

On the plus side, we'd have Carmelo and that would make the King very pleased.

 

[rastamon87]

If the Knicks are determined to trade Carmelo strictly for financial reasons and not expecting prospects in return, there is a way for the Cavs to make the money work without losing Love.

Shump + Frye + Jefferson = Carmelo

The downside would be we'd lose a ton of leadership, as Frye and Jefferson seem very deeply embedded in the culture. And with Carmelo, LeBron, and Love, we have 3 guys to start at the 3 & 4 positions, and none of them would realistically start at SG or C.

On the plus side, we'd have Carmelo and that would make the King very pleased.

Not really a fan if Melo or Love doesn't come off the bench... imagine a starting lineup with Melo, Love and KI, doesn't look promising at all...

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[Funkmastabuck]

That same Cavaliers triumverate could be used to acquire Wade instead of Melo. We'd get much older, but Shump isn't really improving.

 

[inliner311]

At this point, LeBron better be getting in Melo's ear about how it won't be just trying to get by the warriors in the west with Houston. The thunder got better and the Spurs will definitely retool, Houston will most likely have to beat one of them to get to the conference finals. Depending on seeding, Houston could play the Thunder, Spurs, or the Wolves in the first round.

 

[col63onel]

Here are my cap related thoughts on any Melo deal. I am going to assume neither TT nor Love are currently being talked about. That assumption is wrong, oh well.

If there is no TT or Love, Shump and Frye have to be part of the deal. Frye is expiring, and Shump might expiring and is still probably moveable. That still leaves the Cavs 3.2mil short of enough Salary to match Melo's salary.

So where does the 3.2 come from? A lot of people have said RJ + Kay would go, and that works. Now, I know the Knicks don't have leverage, but that give them no long term value. Which is why I think Cedi gets thrown into the mix.

Cavs can sign Cedi and trade him 30 days later to make the salary count. With Kay making 1.3 mil, Cedi would sign for about 1.9mil, which would line up with the scale for the 19th/20th pick in the 2017 draft.

So the Knicks would immediately save 5mil this year, plus an extra 900k if the cut Kay. They could say they got a mid/late 1st, seeing as that is what Cedi would make and probably where he would've gone this year.

I think that's a win for both teams.

 

[The Red Viper]

Here are my cap related thoughts on any Melo deal. I am going to assume neither TT nor Love are currently being talked about. That assumption is wrong, oh well.

If there is no TT or Love, Shump and Frye have to be part of the deal. Frye is expiring, and Shump might expiring and is still probably moveable. That still leaves the Cavs 3.2mil short of enough Salary to match Melo's salary.

So where does the 3.2 come from? A lot of people have said RJ + Kay would go, and that works. Now, I know the Knicks don't have leverage, but that give them no long term value. Which is why I think Cedi gets thrown into the mix.

Cavs can sign Cedi and trade him 30 days later to make the salary count. With Kay making 1.3 mil, Cedi would sign for about 1.9mil, which would line up with the scale for the 19th/20th pick in the 2017 draft.

So the Knicks would immediately save 5mil this year, plus an extra 900k if the cut Kay. They could say they got a mid/late 1st, seeing as that is what Cedi would make and probably where he would've gone this year.

I think that's a win for both teams.

DM this to Dan on Twitter.

 

[col63onel]

2.6mil as a 1st year salary lines up with the #9 pick, however rookie deals have bigger raises, so 8.5/3yrs is on target with the #11 pick.

 

[Return of the King]

If the Knicks are determined to trade Carmelo strictly for financial reasons and not expecting prospects in return, there is a way for the Cavs to make the money work without losing Love.

Shump + Frye + Jefferson = Carmelo

The downside would be we'd lose a ton of leadership, as Frye and Jefferson seem very deeply embedded in the culture. And with Carmelo, LeBron, and Love, we have 3 guys to start at the 3 & 4 positions, and none of them would realistically start at SG or C.

On the plus side, we'd have Carmelo and that would make the King very pleased.

That trade is so one sided, I can't believe you're serious.

 

[gourimoko]

That trade is so one sided, I can't believe you're serious.

It's actually not... The point here is that if the Knicks are faced with the prospect of either buying out Carmelo or trading him in a salary dump, then this trade makes the most sense assuming no other team can offer up purely non-guaranteed contracts.

Shump would go to a 3rd team, conveying a TPE; and the Cavs could send $5.1M to the Knicks to cover more than 50% of the Frye/RJ salary. A buyout for those two players, at this time of the season, would probably be between 50% and 75% of their annual salary, so the Knicks might get away with paying very little if anything at all, while only having dead cap for the guaranteed remaining salary for Frye+RJ.

It's essentially a very clean salary dump.

 

[bigfoot5415]

It's actually not... The point here is that if the Knicks are faced with the prospect of either buying out Carmelo or trading him in a salary dump, then this trade makes the most sense assuming no other team can offer up purely non-guaranteed contracts.

Shump would go to a 3rd team, conveying a TPE; and the Cavs could send $5.1M to the Knicks to cover more than 50% of the Frye/RJ salary. A buyout for those two players, at this time of the season, would probably be between 50% and 75% of their annual salary, so the Knicks might get away with paying very little if anything at all, while only having dead cap for the guaranteed remaining salary for Frye+RJ.

It's essentially a very clean salary dump.

To add to that point, I firmly believe the retirement rumors have some credibility.

I wouldnt say one or the other is a lock to retire, but its worth mentioning that if they retire while on the Cavs roster, it still hurts our cap & tax. It even makes it more difficult to fill out the roster.

They would either retire, be bought out, or be an expiring...all better than owing Melo next season.

 

[Funkmastabuck]

It's actually not... The point here is that if the Knicks are faced with the prospect of either buying out Carmelo or trading him in a salary dump, then this trade makes the most sense assuming no other team can offer up purely non-guaranteed contracts.

Shump would go to a 3rd team, conveying a TPE; and the Cavs could send $5.1M to the Knicks to cover more than 50% of the Frye/RJ salary. A buyout for those two players, at this time of the season, would probably be between 50% and 75% of their annual salary, so the Knicks might get away with paying very little if anything at all, while only having dead cap for the guaranteed remaining salary for Frye+RJ.

It's essentially a very clean salary dump.

Glad you get it! The Knicks aren't going to get much talent in return for Carmelo. They would like to get rid of him but can't stomach the idea of paying him approximately $50 million to go away.

A win for the Knicks would be moving on from the Carmelo era and not paying him for the next two seasons.

 

[inliner311]

2.6mil as a 1st year salary lines up with the #9 pick, however rookie deals have bigger raises, so 8.5/3yrs is on target with the #11 pick.

This is why a you rarely see a European player go outside the lottery in the first round. If you take them any later it becomes too hard to sign them with the rookie pay scale. You either need to take them within the top 10 or they have to be second round picks.

 

[inliner311]

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