Bosh

[CaptCavalier]

I know that it's a bit early to be talking about this...but I was hoping that someone might be able to enlighten me as to our positioning and likelihood of being able to sign Bosh when he becomes available? I'm not exactly a wiz with all of the contracts and CBA business...

 

[Mindphaser]

I know that it's a bit early to be talking about this

It is.

 

[Zog]

If we resign Andy, we can't sign Bosh most likely, but we could trade for him.

 

[CaptCavalier]

It is.

I'm looking for someone that might be able to explain our salary situation paying special regard to the fact that the cap is being lowered and if I'm not mistaken will already be being hurt by the luxury tax.

 

[xAusT1n]

Well by 2010 as all of our contracts stand right now, we would have enough money to sign someone to a max contract, IE Bosh, etc....now since Lebron has bird rights, we are aloud to sign him to a max contract, so if we sign someone like Bosh first, then we can resign the rest of our players....but i doubt we will have enough cap space to do that by 2010

 

[the_chief]

I know that it's a bit early to be talking about this...but I was hoping that someone might be able to enlighten me as to our positioning and likelihood of being able to sign Bosh when he becomes available? I'm not exactly a wiz with all of the contracts and CBA business...

0% unless we gut the team. so basically its not going to happen. only way would be if there is a sign-and-trade and he demands to go to cleveland

 

[theSTEREO.]

...we are ALLOWED [fixed] to sign him to a max contract, so if we sign someone like Bosh first, then we can resign the rest of our players....but i doubt we will have enough cap space to do that by 2010

Not exactly. Even if we haven't signed Lebron to a new contract, he still carries a "cap hold" on our salary cap of about $19 million. So, no we can't sign other free agents first as if Lebron weren't on our cap.

 

[theSTEREO.]

0% unless we gut the team. so basically its not going to happen. only way would be if there is a sign-and-trade and he demands to go to cleveland

That's not true either. We have a lot of young talent on this team, and it would not be unlikely that Toronto would consider moving Bosh and actually getting something back in return, rather than just letting him walk.

The same principle would apply for Bosh as it did for Amare... No team is going to mortgage its future by handing over tons of talent if Bosh makes it clear that it's not the kind of place that he would re-sign. Cleveland could be one of those places, and so we could give up more for him than others would, making it one of Toronto's best offers it receives.

 

[bob2the2nd]

the only way the cavs end up with bosh is if A bosh/lebron decided they want to play together and dont accept max contracts (possible.. unlikely) B the cavs totally gut the team and the salary cap continues to go up (very unlikely), C the cavs trade for bosh using pieces they have in place (most likely, though not sure how realistic).

what the raptors would be looking for would be young talent along with salary cap relief and draft picks. So basically you would be looking at wallace, JJ, first, and whoever the cavs pick with their first round pick this year. though it could probably be worked out so the cavs draft whoever the raptors want in this up coming draft send that guy, along with previous package and a first rounder. Even with that my guess is the raptors would want another young talent, unless JJ just totally explodes...

 

[Benedict_Boozer]

What I would be worried about is Miami. They currently only have Wade under contract that offseason..

You'd imagine they will pick up the team option for Chalmers, Beasley, and Cook. That leaves them plenty of $ to throw at Bosh, and even Lebron for that matter.

Given that Miami is one of the more attractive markets in the league, and the obvious friendships between the players, they could be a problem for us if Ferry can't make some moves this offseason.

 

[Joel]

The short story is that it is not very likely.

Our ability to sign an additional free agent to a maximum contract depends entirely on whether the salary cap goes up or down, and by how much. As I have described before, it is almost certain to decrease.

Let's keep the math simple:

If we want to sign two free agents with seven years of experience to maximum contracts, then we will dedicate 30% of our salary cap to each of these guys in the first year - meaning that 60% of our salary cap will be tied up with two guys.

That leaves 40% for everyone else.

Now: during the summer of 2010, we will likely have Daniel Gibson, Maurice Williams, Darnell Jackson, Delonte West, and J.J. Hickson under contract. (It is possible that we could waive J.J. Hickson after two years, and Delonte has a team option in 2010 - it is possible that we could forgo the team option. It is not clear to me, but Darnell could have a player option too. But getting rid of all of these guys is very unlikely.)

If you add up the contracts of these five players, they will make a collective $20.2M - $20.4M, depending on which set of published contract data you believe. In addition, we have to add the minimum salaries of five "phantom" players, as the salary cap must accommodate 12 players at a time. Add an additional $2.37M for those five "phantom" players, and it means that we will have a minimum cap number of $22.6M - $22.8M for 2010.

Divide those numbers by 0.4, because those salaries can only accommodate 40% of our total salaries, and you will realize that the salary cap must be between $56.5M - $57M for 2010 for us to be able to sign two players. In my previous post, I have explained why that is unlikely. If the salary cap decreases by only 2% per year for the next two years, we will not be able to accommodate two maximum player salaries.

However, we should also understand that we are going to have two first-round draft picks in the next two years. It is possible that we could stash them both in Europe, and they would therefore not count against our salary cap in 2010, but that is probably unlikely. And we will also need to re-sign Andy Varejao. Assuming we sign Andy and our draft picks, our cap number will probably be on the order of about $31M - $32M - which certainly will not leave enough to sign another maximum contract free agent besides LeBron.

Now. We could gut our team and keep only Mo Williams, Boobie Gibson, and eight "phantom contracts" for 2010. If we did that, we could conceivably get our cap number down to $17.1M, and the salary cap would have to be more than only $43M to sign two maximum players. So there is a theoretical possibility that we could do it, but ask yourself - do you really want to go to battle with LeBron, Bosh (or another max player), Mo, Boobie, and eight minimum level players?

Add it up and it is extremely unlikely that we will be able to pull off another maximum contract in 2010.

 

[kosis]

Stereo, props for the hyphen in re-sign. Can we all do this please? A player that re-signs is very different from a player that resigns. Not to be obnoxious but they can be confused very easily in these boards' contexts.

 

[Joel]

Stereo, props for the hyphen in re-sign. Can we all do this please? A player that re-signs is very different from a player that resigns. Not to be obnoxious but they can be confused very easily in these boards' contexts.

Yeah, while we're being picky, I always get a little nervous when we talk about a player expiring. It's their contract that expires.

Every time over the past few weeks that I heard about Wally expiring, my first instinct was always ZOMG, WALLY IS DEAD???

 

[godfather]

That's not true either. We have a lot of young talent on this team, and it would not be unlikely that Toronto would consider moving Bosh and actually getting something back in return, rather than just letting him walk.

The same principle would apply for Bosh as it did for Amare... No team is going to mortgage its future by handing over tons of talent if Bosh makes it clear that it's not the kind of place that he would re-sign. Cleveland could be one of those places, and so we could give up more for him than others would, making it one of Toronto's best offers it receives.

I'm excited, really, we've still position ourselves to get Bosh in a trade.

Wine and Gold made it noted it's possible, too. Not that it's a sure bet, and it doesn't seem I'm taking what he says out of context.

Everyone is moaning and bitching about how bad this deadline was. Was it really? NONE of the pieces we wanted, were moved! That's a very good thing! It means later down the road they could still be moved, and we still have the cap relief and same pieces to try to make a deal.

Really, you got to be happy. We didn't ruin the team, we are STILL outstanding and have position ourselves with plenty of options this off-season, or deadline.


I wanted to make a move, but nothing was there. It's encouraging that will still have the pieces to make a deal, and the targets we wanted are still in place, and things can change where they're more available.

Heck, maybe even bigger and better things.

Actually trading for Shaq would've sucked, if we think about it. Short-term it would've been nice. We'd waste Ben's expiring contract, for Shaq. I know Shaq's contract expires as well, but it's 20 million, which is much more difficult to move because of the money involved. I think Ben's contract is much better and easier to work with.

 

[godfather]

Yeah, while we're being picky, I always get a little nervous when we talk about a player expiring. It's their contract that expires.

Every time over the past few weeks that I heard about Wally expiring, my first instinct was always ZOMG, WALLY IS DEAD???

Well his game is at times, so there's not much to be confused about.