Bosh

[Silky Smooth]

Just a couple of things..

It's very doubtful that if the Raptors do trade Bosh, they'll trade him to a team such as the Cavs and make a dynasty with he and LeBron... Anything could happen but I doubt it..

I bet any trade that we make, that is a big time trade involving pretty good players, will almost certainly be with a Western Conference team unless some Eastern Conference team is in dire straits to dump salary..

Second, these offers for Bosh are pretty bad IMHO... My offer would look something like this:

Delonte West
JJ Hickson
Ben Wallace
Sasha Pavlovic
1st Round pick

for

Chris Bosh
Jason Kapono
Kris Humphries/Marcus Banks

And I'm not sure that is even enough...

As much as i would love getting Bosh i want to keep Delonte. He is the only guard who is showing up against Orlando.

 

[Smooth]

As much as i would love getting Bosh i want to keep Delonte. He is the only guard who is showing up against Orlando.

Believe me: I love Delonte as much as the next person (heck, he's my favorite Cav) but in order to get something of value, you have to give something up...

But when you're talking about a big man of Bosh's stature--at his age nonetheless--you do whatever you can to get him and if that means giving up a guard like Delonte, than so be it... Delonte is a guy who you can replace, albeit it'd be hard... Guys like Bosh just don't grow on trees...

Any package going to Toronto, I see three things as a must: JJ Hickson, Ben Wallace and Delonte West... Those are the three main things that I think need to go to Toronto, IF a deal were to happen... Picks and fillers would also be thrown in but those, in my mind, would be the three biggest assets..

If we were to trade Delonte away, I'd like to see us go after Jarret Jack who is a very similar player to Delonte and could pick up right where Delonte left off...

 

[sam_slam911]

I don't think we have the pieces for Bosh to be honest, especially since the Raptors are doing everything possible to keep him. It's why I say do whatever it takes to get Stoudemire, his value is at the lowest it will ever be. But course there's more options out there than the 2 dream scenarios of Bosh and Amare. Even Paul Millsap might be an option through sign and trade, but obviously doubtful.

I guess if it came down to giving up West for a top talent I would do it, even though it would screw our 2 guard spot. But to be honest, I don't think we have the pieces for either Bosh or even Amare straight up. Every deal Ferry has made or tried to make has been a complicated 3 team deal, like that Salmons/Camby deal we were trying. Ferry will try to pull of one of these players by giving up guys like JJ, Ben, Boobie, Sasha and our picks in a 3 team deal, keeping our core intact.

 

[Adam]

our best bet is before the draft make a push for chris kaman, hes a realistic target and LA need to unload either him or camby.

I think bosh is a bit of a pipe dream

 

[Ziggie123]

Despite all the public posturing, Bosh is not going to re-sign with the Raptors. Also, Bosh is only going to sign with a legitimate contender (like the Cavs) or someone who is maybe only a player away (like the Bulls..not saying the Bulls have an interest). I think the same is true for Stoudimire. Under those scenarios, and throw in the financial ramifications of signing either of those 2 players neither the Raptors nor the Suns will be able to get full market value. Therefore, I believe the Cavs can present a respectable offer for Bosh. Now, that is not saying it will be the best. Every year there is some team that overpays for a free agent nd someone might for Bosh. I just think that with both Bosh and Stoudimire available, Ferry may very well come away with one of them. Even if the Cavs win it all, Ferry must realize this team (with its age and lack of athleticism i.e. Ben, Wally, Z, Smith) will need to be restructured going forward.

 

[abuC]

Article about Bosh, asking if he's a max player:

This correspondent used to argue with some ferocity that if forced to decide between Anthony and Bosh, Bosh would be the pick because he was more mature, stayed out of off-court trouble, and displayed more visible dedication to the game. With Bosh, you knew what you were getting.

That, however, has become too true. Over the past four seasons, Bosh has reached an appreciable but almost dead flat numerical plateau. His points per game have been 22.5, 22.6, 22.3, and 22.7. His rebounding numbers have ranged between 8.7 and 10.7; his assist numbers between 2.5 and 2.6; his blocked shots between 1.0 and 1.3. He has shot between .487 and .505, with the number trending slightly downward each year; he has attempted 8.3, 8.6, 8.3, and 8.0 free throws per game. Oh, and he has missed 12, 13, 15 and five games, and the Raptors have not won a playoff series.

In other words, he has become an all-star, a fine and respectable player, and a 6-foot-10 metronome.

"I don't think he's going to get any better," says one NBA source who has scouted Bosh extensively. "I love him, but he is what he is - he's a jump-shooting power forward."

Bosh was left off the league's three all-NBA teams this season, finishing 18th in the voting. The year before, when Bosh missed 15 games due to injury, he was 26th. Both times, coincidentally, he finished one spot ahead of Atlanta's Joe Johnson, a miscast No. 1 if there ever was one. The best-case scenario is that there is a leap left in Bosh, or that he can be a Garnett-like centrepiece on a team with perimeter finishers. It's not clear that either is a possibility.

Regardless, Bosh will command a maximum contract as a free agent next summer - beginning at 30% of the salary cap, whatever it is, which makes it harder to build one hell of an ensemble - and will be forcefully pursued by more than one other team, including at least one with more immediate championship ambitions than Toronto. The big question being asked is whether the Raptors can re-sign their franchise player.

But that is not the only question. The other one is this: even if they can re-sign Bosh - the team's best player, a four-time all-star, a good citizen and teammate and employee - should they?

 

[Chris]

If we want someone who can bang in the paint, is that Bosh? It's a question worth asking. Good article. abuC. I think we all know Bosh is not a legit #1 option.

 

[chess]

im not swapping 5 players for bosh, i would only do that for amare. i read an article similar to that one a couple months back. bosh isnt improving anytime soo, hes been mad consistent, but he doesnt have the potential of amare. hes also 10000000x times softer

 

[Dirk Gently]

Second, these offers for Bosh are pretty bad IMHO... My offer would look something like this:

Delonte West
JJ Hickson
Ben Wallace
Sasha Pavlovic
1st Round pick

for

Chris Bosh
Jason Kapono
Kris Humphries/Marcus Banks

And I'm not sure that is even enough...

It really depends on what Bosh wants. If he wants to play for Cleveland, the Cavs hold all the cards. Toronto is going to want to get something for Bosh. And if other teams know that Bosh isn't willing to resign with them, they won't give up much for a 1 year rental. Bosh really determines his future here. If he doesn't want to rock the boat in Toronto, or if he wants out no matter what, then Cleveland may not be a likely destination. If he is set on playing with LeBron in Cleveland, then Toronto makes any deal they can. I think many of the trade scenarios here are assuming that Bosh wants to play in Cleveland and forces Toronto's hand.

If that's the case, expirings plus young talent like JJ plus draft pick(s) gets the deal done. We don't know what Bosh is thinking or will do though. The Cavs probably don't have the best fair market offer to give Toronto, if Bosh is willing to resign with anyone other than Cleveland. I don't think Toronto hesitates to trade Bosh on the grounds of making Cleveland a dynasty. If Bosh is leaving Toronto, and Cleveland gives the best deal, they take it and live with it.

 

[Soda]

Bosh seems like a more and more realistic opportunity as the days go by. Since he seems like a player that has a grip on himself and the game he plays, I think he knows he may have found his identity.

That said, he won't deny and will try to get a max deal. It depends on situations at this point, how much is winning worth?

 

[rabman_gold]

It gives me a headache trying to figure out if he really can become available...

Let's face it, he gives us what we direly need to build for the future, and sure... he's not been the most healthiest guy out there, but with a load that is shared between LeBron and Mo, I don't see why he can't factor in to our success regardless.

So... he says something about his future June 1st, eh? Let's see what he wants to do. He'd have to be really set on teaming with LeBron to have a future in Cleveland. And Bosh is a real superstar, so affording him via free agency would be hard enough...

So, we either get him... or find someone else.

Ferry will probably think of something crazy that none of us would imagine...

Or he acquires someone that he targeted in the past (Mo was targeted via free agency before his contract was official w/ Milwaukee)...

Shaq? Amar'e?

Hmmmmm....

 

[abuC]

Amare was on ESPN radio today, they asked him:

"Are you better than Chris Bosh?"

"Are you kidding me? No question about it" - Amare

 

[Mdog1]

Amare was on ESPN radio today, they asked him:

"Are you better than Chris Bosh?"

"Are you kidding me? No question about it" - Amare

That is a great attitude. I love it, and you know what I think he is right. He is maybe not what this team needs more directly, but he is rigt IMO that he is better than Bosh. If it was not for the age, then you have to take him over Bosh, but because Bosh is 2 years younger if he is available you have to take him.

 

[mAo_mAo]

between bosh and amare i will take amare 10/10 times just because of his tenacity, athleticism, and his ability to shoot the mid range shot jsut as much as bosh does. Imagine a pick and roll with him and James. That is scarier than the magic is doing with hedo and dwight.

 

[sam_slam911]

Is he better? Yeah he is. Does he play like it on a regular basis? Not always.

Amare is possibly the most talented bigman in this league. He has everything a bigman should have, but he doesnt use it all. He can be a good defender, but in Phoenix (mostly to the coaching and style of team) he thinks forget defense, I'll just wait for my guy to score so I can get a dunk on the other end.

Chris Bosh will never be the best bigman in this league, he doesnt have the drive or killer instinct to be the best. But hes reliable and will be a 20 and 10 guy for the next 6 or 7 years.