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Brian Windhorst updated podcast 5/19/10 (post #355)

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I don't dislike Ferry, and I don't think he has been TERRIBLE (besides the 1st 3 FA signings), but let's not overhype him into the greatest GM of all time.

Going off the top of my head, so I will probably forget some moves....

Marshall, Damon, Hughes: Terrible moves. Some say he HAD TO DO IT. Whatever, believe that if you want to, it still doesn't make them good signings.


Trading for Flip Murray: Nice move

Cutting Kelenna Azuibuike (sp?) over whatever other stiffs we kept. I mean really? Terrible move.

His "big moves" (trades)....


Trading Ben and Sasha for Shaq.... Alright, well this didn't work out. We didn't give up anything, but we will never know who else we could have had, if anybody. So we will really never be able to completely judge this deal. If we could have had somebody else (Kaman rumors at the time?), this looks terrible. If nobody else was really available, then it is a pretty good move. However (again), it doesn't take much balls to trade the stiffs he did.


Mo Williams trade: Good move, but anybody with a brain could have made that move. No offense to Ferry at all because it isn't his fault that things are the way they are, but any GM can look and see that Joe Smith and Damon for Mo Williams is a steal for us.

Jamison trade: Once again, anybody could have made that trade because he gave up nothing. I wonder if anything else was available because KG killing Jamison really hurt us in the playoffs. If LeBron leaves, his contract will hurt us.

(Kind of Off topic. Murphy sure would have looked nice looking back now. He couldn't have done a worse job on KG than Jamison did and he is a better rebounder. He also has a large expiring contract this coming season. I said from the beginning that Jamison is better, but Mike Brown will not use him right. Murphy was/is the better fit because we will continue to run LeIso as long as LeBron and MB are here. Murphy standing on the 3 point line watching LeBron and waiting for a pass is a better option than Jamison standing on the 3 point line watching LeBron and waiting for a pass.)

His big trade that landed West, Zerb, Ben, and Joe was a brilliant move, it really was. That allowed us to trade for Mo and Shaq, it got us D West as well. The only thing he didn't capitalize on was trading Wally.

Not trading Wally was his biggest mistake IMO. The guy was horrible first of all. Secondly, we had a big chance at improving our team. Once again, who knows who was available, but I do specifically remember W&G saying we could have made numerous deals but Ferry was holding out hoping for a big deal that never panned out. I remember he specially said we could have had Salmons and Brad Miller in one of the deals.

Draft: Gibson was a good choice for where we got him. JJ also looks like it will be a good choice. However, he overpaid Gibson who rode the bench all season. Shannon Brown was a wasted pick. Too early to tell on Eyenga and Green. Am I missing anyone else?


Free agents: I can't remember many FA's off the top of my head besides the first 3 and then AP, Moon, and Powe. Moon and AP were OK moves, nothing spectacular, nothing awful. We probably could have gotten something better, but we will probably never know. Same with Powe. Paying Sasha Pavlovic at all turned out to be a big time mistake. Anything else memorable that I am missing? The Andy V signing was controversial. I still don't know about it. IF LeBron leaves, that signing will kill us for the next few years. If he stays, then the signing is still just ok IMO. I think that we did have to sign him, but I just think he wasn't bidding with any other teams and could have saved some money.


So Ferry has been alright, but he hasn't been a complete stud IMO like most people think.

Anybody could have made the Mo, Jamison, and Shaq trades. He didn't have to give anything up, it wasn't really a hard decision. Who knows what else was out there and if we could have gotten a better deal.

His big trade with West, Wally etc was his best move.

Not trading Wally was his worst move.

Draft has been ok considering where his picks have been. If JJ turns into something special, then his draft grade goes up quite a bit.

Not sure who he could have added through Free Agency or trades, but he has failed to put good young talent around LeBron that could help us compete now and into the future. The only guy he really added that fits that bill is Mo. Unfortunately Mo hasn't worked out the past 2 years in the playoffs.

You and I are on the same page....

Ferry gets credit....but the fact is, all the moves he made were because he was "chasing" the bad signings he made right off the bat as GM.

He made the decision to blow his load all in one offseason, and it backfired. Some have said he HAD to make those moves....but he didn't. The Cavs could have taken a different plan of attack and chosen to see what moves came about in the marketplace instead of locking themselves into the guys that they did.

Quite frankly, the only reason Ferry was on the "winning" end of some of those trades was because he burdened himself with bad deals.

He was like a poker player chasing cards hoping to hit that flush on the river...

Ferry made a couple of good deals with teams looking to DUMP bad deals....he was able to make them because he was also looking to DUMP bad deals and expirings of worthless overpaid veterans.

I'm not sold that he's as great as everyone makes him out to be....one reason I think that is there seemed to be a lack of a plan in building around LeBron. :confused:
 
ferry didn't make bad signings off the bat, he made the best signings he could, everyone better turned down the cavs, so what do you want him to do? sit on his hands? kidnap ray allen?
 
I don't know. And neither do you. That's the point, and that's the problem Gilbert and Ferry have when deciding what to do between now and free agency.

No, no, and no. Dan Gilbert will not make his decisions based on what might happen in the future. He is not a passive type of guy. He will fight. He will not back down.



Any successful businessman tries to obtain as much accurate information as possible before making a decision. You'll rarely have perfect information, but the more, the better. The lack of accurate information regarding LeBron impacts not only the decision the Cavs ownership may make, but the decision potention coaches may make as to whether or not they want to come here. The idea that such coaches wouldn't care whether LeBron is here or not is just irrational.

Well sure; but that's my point. Dan Gilbert will have all the good information. He knows damn well the chances of LeBron staying are much higher than him leaving. He will base his decisions on the fact LeBron will most likely stay. Do you see? Heck; I'd argue Gilbert already knows LeBron is staying. Any new coach, let's say Jackson, knows damn well that if he jumped on with the Cavs, LeBron WILL STAY. That's what I mean by him not being a moron. You are just not giving Gilbert, LeBron, or a good head coach any credit at all. This is what I mean by making decisions passively and based on the negative. That won't happen.



I don't understand the relevance of that comment at all. Didn't you just get done saying that what LeBron chooses to do won't affect Gilbert's decision? How does LBJ's wisdom, or lack thereof, affect the decision Gilbert makes? Or are you just "guaranteeing" that LBJ will resign with the Cavs?

Yeah, I guess you could say I am guaranteeing LeBron will stay. I've always thought that and nothing has changed my feelings. But the thing is and my point is that LeBron WILL definitely stay if a good, even great coach is hired by Gilbert. Gilbert knows that. That's my point.



And I think what you are overlooking is that who is "possible" may depend on whether or not LBJ is with the team, and we won't know that until July. So the real question is this -- suppose Gilbert picks up the phone after Game 7 of the Finals, calls Phil Jackson, and says "hey Phil, how about 15 million to coach the Cavs". And Phil responds "Only if I know I'm going to have LBJ because I'm not interested in a rebuliding job." At that point, does Gilbert cross Jackson off his list and hire someone else, or does he wait to see what LBJ is going to do?

I don't know the answer to that, and I don't think anyone does except perhaps Gilbert himself.

See comments above.
 
Yeah, I guess you could say I am guaranteeing LeBron will stay.

If you assume that is true, and that everyone else around the league knows its true (including potential coaches like Phil Jackson), then Dan Gilbert's job is easy. Personally, I think your assumption that Phil Jackson and all the other potential coaches out there accept as given that LBJ will return to Cleveland is wrong. I think most would say they just don't know, but we obviously have a difference of opinion on that.
 
ferry didn't make bad signings off the bat, he made the best signings he could, everyone better turned down the cavs, so what do you want him to do? sit on his hands? kidnap ray allen?

Sam Presti had cap room this past offseason in OKC....

Did he behave like a 7-year old with a twenty dollar bill in his pocket in a candy store?

Cap room also gives you flexibility.

Based on results....those signings were bad. Hard to argue otherwise.

That cap room did not have to be spent immediately...especially on long term deals on players like Hughes who had previously had "issues" with coaches and effort.
 
one reason I think that is there seemed to be a lack of a plan in building around LeBron. :confused:

I've already made my point, but..

Lack of building around LeBron? Are you serious with this?

How many shooters do we have on this team? How many guys that can run the pick & roll or pick & pop with him?

No, we don't have a perennial all-star by him, but to say a lack of building is complete nonsense.

Plus, we all know LeBron, at the very least, has had every trade go through him at one point or another, so not sure how you can say there's a lack of a plan in building around him.
 
Don't know if this is posted yet:

LeBron James Watch really hits home for Cavaliers beat writer

Beat reporter Brian Windhorst has covered LeBron since his high school days

Editors at The Cleveland Plain Dealer meet daily to talk about LeBron coverage


Take a breath, Cleveland. It'll be OK.

Brian Windhorst falls asleep next to his iPhone most nights, and when it's not snuggled up next to him, it sits five feet away on his nightstand. When you are ground zero for LeBron James news in Cleveland, a city at DEFCON 1 with the two-time NBA MVP poised to enter the land of free agency on July 1, you give up the luxury of a night of a restful sleep.

Windhorst has been the Cavaliers' beat reporter for The Cleveland Plain Dealer since 2008, and has covered James since he was a freshman in high school.

"Covering the Cavs and LeBron is like flying a 747," Windhorst said. "You get a lot of responsibility, a lot of people are relying on you, and you are constantly having to keep an eye out for the future. A lot of people can write stories based on whatever the hot topic is, but I have to cover LeBron long term so I have to be real careful what I report on. A lot of stories are written out of Chicago or New York and breathless about one particular subject. The challenge for me is to provide perspective. You cannot react to every one of the breathlessly written stories; at least you can't in Cleveland because otherwise you will become part of the noise."

The drumbeat of noise will come from everywhere over the next six weeks, most notably ESPN. John Skipper, the network's executive vice president for content, told SI.com this week that he recently met with ESPN Inc. president George Bodenheimer, executive editor John Walsh and executive vice president of production Norby Williamson to discuss how to cover the LeBron sweepstakes without bludgeoning the viewer.

"We spent some time on how we take care to cover what is probably the biggest non-game story of the next 40 days," Skipper said. "It's a huge story. We want to cover it. We want to be there. But we did talk about modulating what we do so that we don't overdo it. It is always a difficult matter for it. We have a lot of platforms and a lot of shows. We have to think about what the average fan watches and not beat it to death. Let's be cognizant of what we are doing. Let's pace ourselves."

The Plain Dealer's charter is different. James is a major story for the newspaper, and not just a sports story. The paper's top editors meet twice daily, including a 10:30 a.m. meeting where suggestions and story ideas are passed around. The paper's coverage consists of Windhorst and fellow Cavs beat reporter Mary Schmitt Boyer, with assistance from columnist Terry Pluto and reporter Jodie Valade. Sports editor Roy Hewitt said James comes up daily at the paper's main edit meetings. "Those discussions won't go away until he makes a decision," he said.
Windhorst said he goes through 300 e-mails daily from colleagues, fans and friends, an endless stream of LeBron rumors and ruminations. Among the daily e-mailers is deputy sports editor Mike Starkey, who checks in with Windhorst each morning after the newspaper's editorial meeting. Windhorst said he expects to write every day from now until July 1, especially with the team expected to part ways with coach Mike Brown. He does not expect LeBron to talk to the media before either re-signing with the Cavs or moving to another team.

"If someone else gets him, it will be a surprise to me," he said. "I think him walking off the podium in Boston [after Cleveland's second-round loss to the Celtics] will be the last we will see of him talking to the media until his signing."

But others will be talking, particularly those in New York, where one paper even started a Web site promoting James to come to the Big Apple. SI.com has also started a daily LeBron tracker.
"I always say when New York sneezes, I catch the cold," Windhorst said. "Stories come out of New York and some of them have merit but a lot of them don't. And they are not there asking LeBron about it. I am. A lot of media have fear of LeBron and they are afraid to ask him questions. Maybe LeBron does not like some of the questions I've asked him, but I'd like to think that he respects that I ask questions. In Boston [for the Cavs-Celtics series], there were maybe 12-14 reporters from New York there and not one of them asked LeBron whether he wanted to play for the Knicks. But I'm the one who has to ask him basically, 'Do you want your coach fired?' "

Windhorst first met James in 1999 when the player was a freshman at St. Vincent-St. Mary High School in Akron. Like James, Windhorst also attended St. Mary's and the reporter's mother, Merrylou, taught health and religion there. "I like to joke that she taught LeBron sex ed, and she also taught that to me, too," he said. Windhorst was with the Akron Beacon-Journal for eight years before he moved to The Plain Dealer. He has co-written two books with Pluto about James.

"I think I can ask him questions others can't, or sometimes he can say things to me that he might not to others, but I have never enjoyed favoritism," Windhorst said. "I've said many times that I think LeBron will re-sign. People can say, 'You are the local guy, a hack, a local yokel,' and the way the season ended, I might be on the ledge because I could not have foreseen it ending like this. But I've tried my best to be 100 percent honest with my readership because that's all you can stand on."

Windhorst writes for his paper and its Web site, does podcasts and tweets to 15,000 followers. "There have been times I am holding a recorder in my left hand and in my right hand I am twittering what LeBron just said," he said. Because he covers the Cavs, Windhorst has more cache than most NBA beat writers. He has a regular gig on ESPN2's First Take and is a frequent guest of radio stations across the country. He's also a columnist for Titan Sports, a Chinese sports newspaper, and writes regularly for Dunk Shoot, a Japanese basketball magazine. That all changes if James leaves, and he knows it.

"I'd still be the Cavs' beat writer for The Plain Dealer, which is a top 20 market, and have a pro job and a lot of responsibility," he said. "I still think I would get a lot of readers, but you can be writing tremendously and doing great work covering the Sacramento Kings and you are not going to be writing for ESPN.com or on First Take."

If James leaves, The Plain Dealer will also take a hit. The paper's NBA coverage draws advertisers who want to be associated with a popular team.

"If you have LeBron in your town, it makes a big difference on your bottom line," Windhorst said. "That's the truth. And it makes a difference on the individual reporter's bottom line. I've written two books about LeBron and I would like to think they are objectively written books. But I'm not going to lie to you to and say if LeBron leaves, it's going to be the best year of my career. If LeBron leaves, the paper would lose revenue. There are ads specifically targeted to the Cavs' coverage and we expend a huge investment on the Cavs in bodies. There is a business aspect to it, but I also know I will be writing stories for a long time that do not involve LeBron and you want to protect and respect your long-term reputation."

Hewitt and Starkey admit that it would be tough losing James but said the paper would cover the Cavs next season just as they did this season with or without the NBA star. Asked how the sports department balances between the paper's advocacy of wanting James to stay in the community versus covering him as a news subject, Hewitt said, "Brian and Mary and the other reporters are covering the news story, without expressing an opinion. We have three columnists [Pluto, Bill Livingston and Bud Shaw] who have a voice to express opinion. If they want to advocate that he should stay, that's fine, but it doesn't affect our news coverage. It's the same as having an editorial page expressing opinions independently of the metro or national news coverage."

As far as being the reporter to break the news of what James decides to do, Windhorst says he's more concerned about being accurate than first.

"I'd like to think if he is staying in Cleveland, I would have a fair shot of being close," he said. "But if he is leaving, I doubt I will be the one who finds out. You have huge media corps working on this -- New York, Chicago and ESPN. Every possible relationship LeBron has will be explored. The fans will react to every single one of them and I'll have to react to a lot of it as opposed to create a lot of it. You will see a whole lot of gray matter and supposition and even when there are nuggets of truth, they will probably get lost in the buzz and won't be noticed until later."

Windhorst is scheduled to leave Aug. 14 for a 30-night, 27,000-mile around-the-world vacation that he's been planning for a year, though he remains a long way from Amsterdam, Berlin and Sydney with LeBron's decision weeks away.
"That's my light at the end of the tunnel," Windhorst said. "If LeBron is not done by Aug. 15, I'll probably be ready to commit a homicide."

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/richard_deitsch/05/19/media.lebron/index.html
 
I'm not sold that he's as great as everyone makes him out to be....one reason I think that is there seemed to be a lack of a plan in building around LeBron. :confused:

I've already made my point, but..

Lack of building around LeBron? Are you serious with this?

How many shooters do we have on this team? How many guys that can run the pick & roll or pick & pop with him?

No, we don't have a perennial all-star by him, but to say a lack of building is complete nonsense.

Plus, we all know LeBron, at the very least, has had every trade go through him at one point or another, so not sure how you can say there's a lack of a plan in building around him.

Maybe you should work on reading comprehension....because I didn't say "lack of building"...

I said - "lack of a plan in building around LeBron".


If there's been a plan, I'd like to know what it's been. Ferry made those FA signings in his first few weeks and the Cavs have been unloading those contracts and the remnants of those contracts for unwanted parts ever since.
 
Maybe you should work on reading comprehension....because I didn't say "lack of building"...

I said - "lack of a plan in building around LeBron".


If there's been a plan, I'd like to know what it's been. Ferry made those FA signings in his first few weeks and the Cavs have been unloading those contracts and the remnants of those contracts for unwanted parts ever since.

Can negative reps be giving? :chuckles:
 
Maybe you should work on reading comprehension....because I didn't say "lack of building"...

I said - "lack of a plan in building around LeBron".


If there's been a plan, I'd like to know what it's been. Ferry made those FA signings in his first few weeks and the Cavs have been unloading those contracts and the remnants of those contracts for unwanted parts ever since.

Yeah, I know what you said, I can read.

How exactly is surrounding him with shooters a lack of a plan?

If you want to argue that he chose the wrong plan, that's another issue, but there was obviously a plan.
 
Sam Presti had cap room this past offseason in OKC....

Did he behave like a 7-year old with a twenty dollar bill in his pocket in a candy store?

Cap room also gives you flexibility.

Based on results....those signings were bad. Hard to argue otherwise.

That cap room did not have to be spent immediately...especially on long term deals on players like Hughes who had previously had "issues" with coaches and effort.

yeah because there was no pressure for a team with lebron james to be competing for a playoff birth and starting to become a winning franchise, i'm sure the cavs fans would ahve been happy with new ownership saying 'hey come buy our tickets, but we dont care about winning"

presti is in a very different situation
 
Do not judge the signings with the results that it produced. Transport yourself back to the situation we are in when Ferry made those signings. If Ferry stuck with his "cap flexibility" BS then we would lose LeBron. Remember that we don't have decent draft picks the time Ferry took over. The only way to entice LeBron to stay was those signings. Jones and Hughes just came off with career numbers. Do you really think that they will turn out the way they did? Oh, just a note, we went to the NBA finals with the very same players that Danny Ferry signed. :D
 
Do not judge the signings with the results that it produced. Transport yourself back to the situation we are in when Ferry made those signings. If Ferry stuck with his "cap flexibility" BS then we would lose LeBron. Remember that we don't have decent draft picks the time Ferry took over. The only way to entice LeBron to stay was those signings. Jones and Hughes just came off with career numbers. Do you really think that they will turn out the way they did? Oh, just a note, we went to the NBA finals with the very same players that Danny Ferry signed. :D
Thats what DF looked at ,plus putting shooters around Lebron..however he did bypass other potiential FA's..as is always the case..
One of the biggest mistakes was the wait n see game with AV..thats really when he screwed himself up..don't remember how many guys went under the radar while he was waiting on Anderson..
This last offseason we were denied by the top FA's..Artest/Ariza(blame him on Lebron)..CV and some others..plus the crap that Phoenix did..
 
The AV and Sasha Pavlovic signings which seemed to be ages to accomplish were the coping mechanism that Danny Ferry have made to prevent the failed signings he made with the other Free Agents beforehand from happening again. That is a good way of showing that the guy learned from the mistakes he made from the past. Andy is asking for too much money then until he signed that QO with the bobcats. Andy now has a more reasonable contract apt to what he brings on the court.
 
In terms of AV, Ferry didn't attempt to do anything else until he had AV signed..which IMO handcuffed him from bringing in anyone else..he was only eyeballing AV..remember he went to AV's country to call on him..he left some roadkill to be scooped up by other teams..
 

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