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Everyone getting so caught up in Wentz is forgetting that Watson looks great too. Make sure to punish this donkey piss front office for that too.
 
Analytics miss things. Like intelligence, work ethic and character. The combination of those traits generally lead to success when paired with athleticism. I was a Goff guy but I also felt Wentz would be good.* Read this without getting emotional (for various reasons).

Carson Wentz meets with family of Lukas Kusters, 'The Dutch Destroyer'

PHILADELPHIA -- Philadelphia Eagles quarterback Carson Wentz met with the family of Lukas Kusters, whom Wentz befriended during the boy's fight with stomach cancer, prior to Monday night's matchup against the Washington Redskins.

The family was invited to the game as special guests of the team and brought onto the field during warmups. Wentz greeted each one with a hug and spoke with them for several minutes before posing for pictures.

Lukas' Make-A-Wish was to thank Wentz for a video he sent him while he was in the hospital. The QB took Lukas -- known as "The Dutch Destroyer" on the football field -- on a guided tour around the Eagles practice facility along with linebacker Jordan Hicks, made him a smoothie in the cafeteria and interrupted interviews in the locker room so Lukas could get autographs. Lukas died 13 days after meeting with Wentz at the age of 10, and was buried in Wentz's jersey.


Wentz and the Eagles have continued to keep the family close according to Lukas' mom, Rebecca. That was on display Monday night.



*I don't fully buy-in into the standard "But he was not going to be good here." Argument. Taking Wentz means the FO is focused on getting him weapons last year and this year. It meant having a blueprint in which picks are dedicated to filling roles in a scheme built around the QB rather than their plan now (filling holes with no particular direction). He would not be putting up PHI numbers, but I think he would have handled the disaster that is the Browns FAR better than Kizer and the others simply because he has demonstrated the intelligence and character through out his career to improve himself, and his teammates, despite setbacks.
 
I still can’t believe we listened to a baseball guy and a computer program that he just developed a few months earlier..
 
Random rant: I literally cannot stand the “Well, if the Browns had drafted Wentz, he wouldn’t have been this good anyway.”

Elite quarterbacks lift the rest of the offense up to another level. They throw guys open, they make receivers look good.

Guys like Zach Ertz don’t suddenly become premier talent overnight. Wentz has a big hand in his production boost.

Now we may not be 6-1 like this year’s Eagles but I’d be willing to bet my life that we’d have at least 4 wins.
 
Buh buh buh Wenz isnt that good...

Give it a damn rest.
 
Wentz is good and likely would have experienced success wherever he went. And it was obvious last season too even during his rough stretch.

Watson, I'm nowhere near that belief.
 
chrisrich91 said:
Wentz is good and likely would have experienced success wherever he went. And it was obvious last season too even during his rough stretch.

Watson, I'm nowhere near that belief.
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Why not re: Watson?
 
Kovah said:
It's easy to call shit on the Browns FO for not drafting Wentz, hindsight 20/20. If I recall most of this board was Goff or bust and we praised the trade down. Now it's too much?
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I didn't praise the trade down. I think the mentality behind trading down stinks. Trading down means as a front office you don't want to make a tough decision that you have to stand behind on a particular player or position, so you don't make a decision at all. You just kick the can down the road. Trading down is the easy way out.

Not to mention trading down has blown up in this organization's face repeatedly.

The biggest problem that this organization has is not that it doesn't have a franchise quarterback. It's that it hasn't really even tried to get a franchise quarterback. All they're trying to do is get lucky at the position on the cheap, drafting a guy late in the 2nd/3rd round and hoping he works out. Hope isn't a plan. It's like a guy who won't beat the pavement to get a job but plays the lottery instead. It hasn't worked and never will.
 
The Oi said:
Why not re: Watson?
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Doesn't have the same kind of arm talent as Wentz. Nowhere close. He can learn to be good in other ways, but I think he's been a product of playing some shitty defenses, too.

Wentz dropped a ball right in the bread basket last night that traveled 64 air yards to Mack Hollins--didn't even break stride.
 
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Why not re: Watson?
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Watson throwing to an elite WR duo is part of it. His backyard play style that doesn't have a particularly good track record in the NFL is another.

But mostly? Because Bill O'Brien is (intelligently) basically running Clemson's offense for the guy. No wonder he looks so comfortable out there, considering he's running familiar concepts with elite WRs.

So my assertion was that I'm nowhere near convinced Watson would have had success regardless of destination. Judging by the Browns (in)ability to put players in positions to succeed (Jabrill, DeShone, Crowell, etc), I think it's safe to say Watson would have looked like dawg shit here.
 
Jack Brickman said:
Personally, I think Coleman was the second best WR prospect in the class last year behind Doctson. He has elite measurables and was absolutely dominant in college.
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What elite measurables? He's small and he's soft. What is elite about him other than foot speed?

He was dominant in college because he was fast and played in the Big 12 where nobody plays a lick of defense. It's the same reason all those shitty Big 12 QB's have ridiculous stats every year. @FiveThous compared his production to OBJ's which is kind of silly because OBJ did it against SEC defenses (and with terrible QB's throwing to him).
 
RG said:
What elite measurables? He's small and he's soft. What is elite about him other than foot speed?

He was dominant in college because he was fast and played in the Big 12 where nobody plays a lick of defense. It's the same reason all those shitty Big 12 QB's have ridiculous stats every year. @FiveThous compared his production to OBJ's which is kind of silly because OBJ did it against SEC defenses (and with terrible QB's throwing to him).
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4.42 40, excellent vert and broad jump, his best season accounted for 44% of his teams passing offense. He averaged 18-19 ypr in college. He broke out in his sophomore year. The guy was elite, no matter how you try to discredit him.
 
FiveThous said:
4.42 40, excellent vert and broad jump, his best season accounted for 44% of his teams passing offense. He averaged 18-19 ypr in college. He broke out in his sophomore year. The guy was elite, no matter how you try to discredit him.
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Yes, his production in college was elite. I never disputed that. I just provided context.
 
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