Carmelo Anthony

[Soar]

Bogut and Williams are some big expiring contracts that may interest the Knicks.

If they can't get talent they want back for Melo, they might just prefer to remove as much salary as possible and then try and see what they can make happen in FA this summer.

Moving Melo's and Noah's salary would really clear the books in NY.

I have no idea if the Mavs would take on Noah's contract. I sure wouldn't if I was a GM. They would need a ton of assets to do so as that might be the worst contract in the league.

But if Bogut and/or Williams get moved to Knicks, they could be bought out and the Cavs could sign them.

The bottom line is that this would be a framework path to obtain Melo with Shump, Frye etc.

This is insane but the deadline is in a week. So what the hell.

 

[Walter White]

But if Bogut and/or Williams get moved to Knicks, they could be bought out and the Cavs could sign them.

I've thought about that, but I feel like it should be illegally for some reason. They would probably make a rule change or something next year if we did that.

 

[Otsego Mar]

Bogut and Williams are some big expiring contracts that may interest the Knicks.

If they can't get talent they want back for Melo, they might just prefer to remove as much salary as possible and then try and see what they can make happen in FA this summer.

Moving Melo's and Noah's salary would really clear the books in NY.

I have no idea if the Mavs would take on Noah's contract. I sure wouldn't if I was a GM. They would need a ton of assets to do so as that might be the worst contract in the league.

But if Bogut and/or Williams get moved to Knicks, they could be bought out and the Cavs could sign them.

The bottom line is that this would be a framework path to obtain Melo with Shump, Frye etc.

This is insane but the deadline is in a week. So what the hell.

I love your optimism!

Hey, change your avatar back to CBJ.

 

[CavsRules]

Can't believe people are still discussing Love for Melo.

I'm a big fan of Melo, and I want him on this roster pretty badly.. but by no means is Love being sent out in exchange for him. Not unless another player that can help right away and be a legit factor for us immediately comes along with him. Just isn't happening.

With all that said, Melo is probably the better fit against GS than Love. Melo fits into what works so well for the Cavs, as they can destroy the Warriors with ISO plays with Bron, Ky, and Melo. Not to mention the pick and rolls/pops those three would do.. It'd be entertaining and very successful in my opinion.

But the only way Melo wears wine and gold is if Phil and the boys in the big Apple finally realize they won't get Love, and their best bet is to work a 3-way deal to get whatever they can for Melo and wash their hands from it. Create that cap space they need/want, get a few more picks, build for the future around KP.

Melo staying there just kills them. He's not going to win a title there. He's not going to win many more games there. He will do enough to create a distraction, keep the Knicks in the middle of the pack, or just below the middle where the picks they get aren't enough.

It makes all the sense in the world for the Knicks to trade Melo. Obviously they would love to send him where ever, but since they can only send him to Cleveland basically... What else do they want to do?

Every time I give up on this idea.. I always remember Gour and his post. He makes too much sense about this situation, and it's scary.

I mean, Austin Rivers? Iman Shumpert and the other pieces they'd get sound better, honestly. Not to mention Shump can net them a middle of the pack 1st-round pick. I really think he has a market with the career season he's enjoying.

Sent from my Galaxy Edge. Don't forget that the Golden State Warriors blew a 3-1 lead in the NBA Finals.

 

[Lyuokdea]

Here's a scenario:

Dallas sends a protected first round pick to NYK, Cleveland sends Cedi Osman to NYK.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=hk5asu9

In this scenario, Bogut is basically a non-content, and the Mavs were thinking of buying him out anyway. They send him to the Knicks (which saves Dallas a ton of money compared to the buyout), and then the Knicks buy him out.

So from Dallas's perspective, this trade is basically Shumpert for Harris + 1st, which makes sense because Harris doesn't get much time in Dallas anymore, and when he does, he plays an off-guard 2 role that Shumpert is much better suited for. Plus Shumpert is younger and under a good contract. Matthews isn't a defensive stopper anymore.

Also the Cavs are being polite to RJ. He signed on to win a championship as a vet, but the Cavs decided that (with the addition of Melo), they'd rather have Liggins defense than RJ's offense.

RJ has played in Dallas, and was by all accounts happy there - it's a good destination for him, and Dallas (still trying to get the 8th seed) can easily add him back into the rotation.

From NYK perspective they basically get two 1st round picks (Osman), they get a shooting PF who has veteran leadership skills and would want to play in NY (his family is from there), and they get an expiring contract to rid themselves of a terrible deal. This is a boatload for NYK, and is a deal you could sell to the fan base.

For the Cavs you get Melo, and you get your backup PG in Harris, who can also play off the ball. You could also imagine adding in a trade for O'Quinn (either pulling NYK's arm or adding in something like Felder).

As a bonus, once Bogut gets bought out, he is Cleveland-bound (no rules against him joining Cleveland since he wasn't traded there as part of the deal, as far as I know). If there are, you might be able to set this up as two trades to get things to work.

If you want this trade to get more complex, you could imagine reasons that a Noah for Matthews swap might make sense for both NYK and Dallas (though I don't think Dallas would be interested).

 

[Rich]

Incarcerated Bob is a known moron. Never trust a thing that guy tweets. Ever.

 

[InBoobieWeTrust]

I really think that the salaries involved+ the trade kicker on Melo's contract make it nearly impossible that the Shump+filler , 3-team, Melo to Cleveland trade...is just super super super unlikely. Unless Love is involved, and I think that ship has pretty much sailed as well, because now that he had the knee scoped, I feel like that' just going to cause some unjust low-balling, which will be rightly declined.

I could see us revisiting the Melo thing in the summer. There will be more avenues for the Cavs to make a trade work salary wise without using Love. (Cedi Osman will be more than just "rights to Cedi Osman", because we will likely sign him this summer. RJ's 2.5 million could become straight up dead money to be used in a trade if he decides it's time to retire.. there's a lot more roster flexibility....if we need to make a 5-for-1 deal, etc..etc..

Also depending on what the outcome of the season is for us, who knows, that could change opinions on Love....hell, maybe he plays super well and we win the title, or he plays great except for the GS series and we still win the title, but maybe the Bulls and the Kings and the Pacers start making K Love inquiries...Paul George, Jimmy Butler, Demarcus even....who knows what kinda guys could become available.

We could add a few guys with our TPE's before the deadline this year and all of a sudden have $9 million more in contracts to play with in the summer...or maybe Griff pulls something out of his ass on draft day... lots of possiblities.

I think Melo is a Knick on Feb 24th. But I also think that Melo is probably not a Knick on opening night of next season.

Anything is always possible. I haven't heard anything from my Knicks source in a few days either, so this post is just purely speculation.

 

[Lyuokdea]

Just as a quick note, the trade kicker doesn't matter -- Melo can waive any fraction of it that needs to be waived in order to make the deal work.

In most of the trades that have been presented (whether Shump + Frye + Liggins + McRae + Felder) or (Shump + Frye + Jefferson), Melo needs to waive the entire kicker to make the deal work.

Maybe he doesn't want to do that? But he already has a no trade clause, so it's basically the same as the no trade clause for him.

 

[InBoobieWeTrust]

Just as a quick note, the trade kicker doesn't matter -- Melo can waive any fraction of it that needs to be waived in order to make the deal work.

In most of the trades that have been presented (whether Shump + Frye + Liggins + McRae + Felder) or (Shump + Frye + Jefferson), Melo needs to waive the entire kicker to make the deal work.

Maybe he doesn't want to do that? But he already has a no trade clause, so it's basically the same as the no trade clause for him.

I have been told by my friend who in involved with the Knicks that Melo has no plans to waive his trade kicker. He's not giving up money, whoever trades for him will have to figure out.


It's not a surprise either, Melo has always been about the $$$ first and foremost.

Maybe things could change for the right destination though. Who knows.

 

[Lyuokdea]

I have been told by my friend who in involved with the Knicks that Melo has no plans to waive his trade kicker. He's not giving up money, whoever trades for him will have to figure out.


It's not a surprise either, Melo has always been about the $$$ first and foremost.

Maybe things could change for the right destination though. Who knows.

Then he will just use the no trade clause, the kicker doesn't matter. Carmelo can only be traded if he wants to be, and since nobody can afford the kicker he either gives it up, or he stays in NYK.

 

[dark2332]

We know how bad LeBron wants to play with Carmelo...

But I really have this vibe that Carmelo doesn't give two shits about being on a winner or playing with LeBron.

 

[cavsfever]

Can't believe people are still discussing Love for Melo....With all that said, Melo is probably the better fit against GS than Love. Melo fits into what works so well for the Cavs, as they can destroy the Warriors with ISO plays with Bron, Ky, and Melo. Not to mention the pick and rolls/pops those three would do.. It'd be entertaining and very successful in my opinion.

OK, I'm going to say something that will be pretty unpopular. IF YOU REALLY BELIEVE THE ABOVE STATEMENT, YOU SHOULD WANT TO TRADE KEVIN LOVE FOR CARMELO ANTHONY AND YOU SHOULD WANT TO DO IT RIGHT NOW. What is the goal of this team? To watch Love's pretty statistics? No, it's to win a championship. When do we want to win a championship? This year and next year. Who will we almost certainly have to beat to do that? The Golden State Warriors. If Carmelo over Love helps you do that, then you should do it. Ask yourself how much comfort you will get from having KLove on the roster while you are watching GS lift the trophy.

Now, I know that KLove is a somewhat better all-around player than Carmelo, he's younger, and on a better contract. I get all that, although I think the quality gap between the two is being a bit exaggerated. But KLove is not a crucial piece of this team. We all know this in our heart of heats. The Cavs can win without KLove in a way that we cannot win without Lebron, without Kyrie, or possibly even without TT. It's a nice extra for us when KLove shows up, but it's not crucial. Plus, he has been a pretty inconsistent player so we can't count on his showing up -- especially in the fourth quarter, I might add. And the cherry on top is that he is very bad matchup with Golden State.

Now, KLove for Carmelo straight up might be worthwhile if it helped us beat GS but it would not be an even trade, I admit this. But we could almost certainly shake more loose from the Knicks if we offered KLove. KLove for Carmelo, Hernangomez, and a first in this year's draft? I'd take that, to be honest.

There, I said it. I just had to get it off my chest. Let the disagrees rain down.

 

[Sir'Dom Pointer]

OK, I'm going to say something that will be pretty unpopular. IF YOU REALLY BELIEVE THE ABOVE STATEMENT, YOU SHOULD WANT TO TRADE KEVIN LOVE FOR CARMELO ANTHONY AND YOU SHOULD WANT TO DO IT RIGHT NOW. What is the goal of this team? To watch Love's pretty statistics? No, it's to win a championship. When do we want to win a championship? This year and next year. Who will we almost certainly have to beat to do that? The Golden State Warriors. If Carmelo over Love helps you do that, then you should do it. Ask yourself how much comfort you will get from having KLove on the roster while you are watching GS lift the trophy.

Now, I know that KLove is a somewhat better all-around player than Carmelo, he's younger, and on a better contract. I get all that, although I think the quality gap between the two is being a bit exaggerated. But KLove is not a crucial piece of this team. We all know this in our heart of heats. The Cavs can win without KLove in a way that we cannot win without Lebron, without Kyrie, or possibly even without TT. It's a nice extra for us when KLove shows up, but it's not crucial. Plus, he has been a pretty inconsistent player so we can't count on his showing up -- especially in the fourth quarter, I might add. And the cherry on top is that he is very bad matchup with Golden State.

Now, KLove for Carmelo straight up might be worthwhile if it helped us beat GS but it would not be an even trade, I admit this. But we could almost certainly shake more loose from the Knicks if we offered KLove. KLove for Carmelo, Hernangomez, and a first in this year's draft? I'd take that, to be honest.

There, I said it. I just had to get it off my chest. Let the disagrees rain down.

What ? I do Love for Carmelo, Hernangomez/O'Quinn and a 1st in a second.. without even thinking.
Straight up I wouldn't just because of age and the feeling of being ripped off. And obviously giving up so much for Love in the first place.

 

[K1rieIrving>AllOtherPG's]

OK, I'm going to say something that will be pretty unpopular. IF YOU REALLY BELIEVE THE ABOVE STATEMENT, YOU SHOULD WANT TO TRADE KEVIN LOVE FOR CARMELO ANTHONY AND YOU SHOULD WANT TO DO IT RIGHT NOW. What is the goal of this team? To watch Love's pretty statistics? No, it's to win a championship. When do we want to win a championship? This year and next year. Who will we almost certainly have to beat to do that? The Golden State Warriors. If Carmelo over Love helps you do that, then you should do it. Ask yourself how much comfort you will get from having KLove on the roster while you are watching GS lift the trophy.

Now, I know that KLove is a somewhat better all-around player than Carmelo, he's younger, and on a better contract. I get all that, although I think the quality gap between the two is being a bit exaggerated. But KLove is not a crucial piece of this team. We all know this in our heart of heats. The Cavs can win without KLove in a way that we cannot win without Lebron, without Kyrie, or possibly even without TT. It's a nice extra for us when KLove shows up, but it's not crucial. Plus, he has been a pretty inconsistent player so we can't count on his showing up -- especially in the fourth quarter, I might add. And the cherry on top is that he is very bad matchup with Golden State.

Now, KLove for Carmelo straight up might be worthwhile if it helped us beat GS but it would not be an even trade, I admit this. But we could almost certainly shake more loose from the Knicks if we offered KLove. KLove for Carmelo, Hernangomez, and a first in this year's draft? I'd take that, to be honest.

There, I said it. I just had to get it off my chest. Let the disagrees rain down.

Nothing you said here is wrong, I think most agree that Love is a bad match up against GS because he can't effectively defend the way they play (lack of mobility and athleticism) and they easily shut down on offense.

I just don't think that if you trade Love you do it for melo straight up because I'm not sure how much better Melo makes us against GS when you give up Love, If you trade Love you do it for a better package than just 33yo Melo for Love imo

 

[Rich]

OK, I'm going to say something that will be pretty unpopular. IF YOU REALLY BELIEVE THE ABOVE STATEMENT, YOU SHOULD WANT TO TRADE KEVIN LOVE FOR CARMELO ANTHONY AND YOU SHOULD WANT TO DO IT RIGHT NOW. What is the goal of this team? To watch Love's pretty statistics? No, it's to win a championship. When do we want to win a championship? This year and next year. Who will we almost certainly have to beat to do that? The Golden State Warriors. If Carmelo over Love helps you do that, then you should do it. Ask yourself how much comfort you will get from having KLove on the roster while you are watching GS lift the trophy.

Now, I know that KLove is a somewhat better all-around player than Carmelo, he's younger, and on a better contract. I get all that, although I think the quality gap between the two is being a bit exaggerated. But KLove is not a crucial piece of this team. We all know this in our heart of heats. The Cavs can win without KLove in a way that we cannot win without Lebron, without Kyrie, or possibly even without TT. It's a nice extra for us when KLove shows up, but it's not crucial. Plus, he has been a pretty inconsistent player so we can't count on his showing up -- especially in the fourth quarter, I might add. And the cherry on top is that he is very bad matchup with Golden State.

Now, KLove for Carmelo straight up might be worthwhile if it helped us beat GS but it would not be an even trade, I admit this. But we could almost certainly shake more loose from the Knicks if we offered KLove. KLove for Carmelo, Hernangomez, and a first in this year's draft? I'd take that, to be honest.

There, I said it. I just had to get it off my chest. Let the disagrees rain down.

Same thing I brought up in the Korver thread, but "Does this give us better odds at beating Golden State" can't be the only qualifier when looking at a trade. What if it improves the odds, but only barely? What if, odds are, we still lose? Then you've traded 27 year old Kevin Love for 33 year old Carmelo Anthony with a no-trade clause........to still lose.

And boy won't that look terrible. Far more severe than trading a top-10 protected 1st in 2019.

I'd also like to say that Kevin struggles against Golden State because it's hard to find someone for him to defend. I very much want to know who people think Carmelo is going to adequately defend. Not Durant. Not Green. Not Klay Thompson. He's gonna struggle on that end just as much, but that's really a side point.

EDIT: And to prove my point, that it can't be the only qualifier, and people ultimately have a limit as to what they're willing to give up just to increase our odds at beating Golden State. Kyrie Irving could be traded right now for a player that probably gives us a slightly better chance at beating Golden State. If Chris Paul were healthy, let's say. Or for Jimmy Butler. Those guys might give us a slightly better shot at beating them this year.

Now who here does the trade? Probably almost no one.