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Cavaliers Trade Ideas: 2022-23 regular season edition

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He's a much better individual scorer than Garland, but he needs to find a way to score without hijacking so much of the offense IMO, or the Cavs are going to lose every series he doesn't shoot well in.

Those transition 3s with no one under the basket look a lot different when they're not falling. LBJ was really good at getting his teammates going early and taking over late. As a result, he didn't have dead legs in the 4th quarter.

I think that might be possible with a strong coach who has some innovative offensive ideas and the ability to get player buy-in. And I'm not even sure that would work because I think that just may who he is and how he plays.
 
Yeah, but Wiggins missed two-thirds of the season and I'm not sure it was life-threatening for anywhere near that long. I know he felt pressured to get the Covid vaccine and was upset about it. I definitely don't want to trade for another Kyrie.

I'm very reluctant to trade core players while JBB is still the coach of this team because I'm thoroughly unconvinced that another coach can't get more out of this team.
Exactly. You simply cannot tear this team apart when you have a coach that handicaps the players.
You don’t know what you have.
 
Would anybody be interested in a Donavon Mitchell swap for Zach Lavine or Zion Williams?
 
I'm still looking to OKC for a Mitchell trade. They have talent to entice, filler to make salaries match, and picks out the wazoo get to equal value.

It would be a reset of this build, But it would lower the stakes and urgency and give guys a little bit more time to develop at a more reasonable pace.


But it requires Altman to acknowledge that he dun fucked up and jumped the gun on his all-in consolidation move.
 
I'm still looking to OKC for a Mitchell trade. They have talent to entice, filler to make salaries match, and picks out the wazoo get to equal value.

It would be a reset of this build, But it would lower the stakes and urgency and give guys a little bit more time to develop at a more reasonable pace.


But it requires Altman to acknowledge that he dun fucked up and jumped the gun on his all-in consolidation move.
Its interesting but I'm not sure why they would have interest. Their core of 4 with giddey sga chet and J will is pretty stable. You want a 3nd guy with that like OG not mitchell
 
Its interesting but I'm not sure why they would have interest. Their core of 4 with giddey sga chet and J will is pretty stable. You want a 3nd guy with that like OG not mitchell
SGA, Mitchell, and Giddy is a hell of a group. Add in Chet and the rest of the young stable of dudes and that is all of a sudden a deep playoff contender for many years. SGA pairs nicely with Michell as he negates Mitchell's positional height disadvantage. Giddey helps them both out by carrying out the primary ballhandler duties.
 
SGA, Mitchell, and Giddy is a hell of a group. Add in Chet and the rest of the young stable of dudes and that is all of a sudden a deep playoff contender for many years. SGA pairs nicely with Michell as he negates Mitchell's positional height disadvantage. Giddey helps them both out by carrying out the primary ballhandler duties.
Sga and Mitchell are redundant tho. They are basically doing the same thing on the court
 
SGA, Mitchell, and Giddy is a hell of a group. Add in Chet and the rest of the young stable of dudes and that is all of a sudden a deep playoff contender for many years. SGA pairs nicely with Michell as he negates Mitchell's positional height disadvantage. Giddey helps them both out by carrying out the primary ballhandler duties.
I would have thought this trade more possible before OKC came out of the gate looking as good as they have. They look ready to make some noise pretty dang fast. I also don’t think Mitchell plays like they want to play. The ball & man movement in OKC is not what DM does and when they want a guy to just go get a bucket, SGA already does it better then Mitchell. I don’t know why they would risk messing up the good thing they have going by bringing in Mitchell and taking on his big salary.
 
Sga and Mitchell are redundant tho. They are basically doing the same thing on the court
There certainly is overlap. And SGA is better at most every aspect than Mitchell is where there is overlapping skills. That said, there are a lot of pairings in the NBA with significant skill overlap.
I would have thought this trade more possible before OKC came out of the gate looking as good as they have. They look ready to make some noise pretty dang fast. I also don’t think Mitchell plays like they want to play. The ball & man movement in OKC is not what DM does and when they want a guy to just go get a bucket, SGA already does it better then Mitchell. I don’t know why they would risk messing up the good thing they have going by bringing in Mitchell and taking on his big salary.
Yeah, I fear you are right. They made so much sense just a few months ago. And I, personally, like their assets a heck of a lot more than the other possible suitors.

Miami, NY, and Brooklyn all leave me going "meh". And not a ton of the other teams out there make sense, for either side.
 
Would anybody be interested in a Donavon Mitchell swap for Zach Lavine or Zion Williams?
Our guard spot isn’t the problem. The players we need to look at trading are either Allen or Mobley. Two 7 footers that cannot create their own offense inside (except for put backs and lob dunks) is what’s holding this team back. Our big men go outside running this pick and roll bullshit but neither of them are a threat to keep the defense honest with the ability to the hit a 15 footer least of all a three pointer. Can’t win when your big men are shooting 28% from 15 feet and out and can’t put pressure on the interior defense with any kind of low post moves!
 
The guy I come back to, who is now on an undesirable contract and thus has his value deflated, is Jerami Grant.

He could swing between either forward spot on the Cavs. He's a very good defensive presence and a threat to catch and shoot. Can also create his own offense in a pinch from time to time.

The issue is that with Ayton in tow, they have no need for Allen, and with Scoot, I doubt they're interested in either of the Cavs guards. I wonder if there's a creative scenario to get him in the Wine and Gold. He could seriously help out some of their lineup puzzles at the moment, either as a starter or reserve.
 
The guy I come back to, who is now on an undesirable contract and thus has his value deflated, is Jerami Grant.

He could swing between either forward spot on the Cavs. He's a very good defensive presence and a threat to catch and shoot. Can also create his own offense in a pinch from time to time.

The issue is that with Ayton in tow, they have no need for Allen, and with Scoot, I doubt they're interested in either of the Cavs guards. I wonder if there's a creative scenario to get him in the Wine and Gold. He could seriously help out some of their lineup puzzles at the moment, either as a starter or reserve.
Jerami Grant frustrates me. On paper he is perfect as the 5th starter between our guards and bigs as a defensive 3/4 who can shoot and be a tertiary creator. He is actually solidly efficient on high volume.

My problem is his attitude. The guy wants to be the primary option and a big scorer who takes a lot of shots. His ideal role on a tanking team is that so he is in the right place. On a good team, he is a third option and elite 3nd guy. He left Joker and Denver to hunt his shot on a garbage pre Cade Det. Dunno if he will come here
 
The guy I come back to, who is now on an undesirable contract and thus has his value deflated, is Jerami Grant.

He could swing between either forward spot on the Cavs. He's a very good defensive presence and a threat to catch and shoot. Can also create his own offense in a pinch from time to time.

The issue is that with Ayton in tow, they have no need for Allen, and with Scoot, I doubt they're interested in either of the Cavs guards. I wonder if there's a creative scenario to get him in the Wine and Gold. He could seriously help out some of their lineup puzzles at the moment, either as a starter or reserve.
He'd help us for sure - if he could be added without moving one of our "core 4". But I see no way it could happen. Grant is a guy that pairs well alongside Allen and Mobley, but take either of them out of the equation and you have no physical presence. Allen & Grant, or Mobley & Grant, get abused pretty hard on defense, especially when you consider who our other 3 starters are. Portland is flush with guards so they wouldn't be interested in moving Grant to gain DM or DG. And then there is that salary - no way we are taking on 5 years/160 million. We have no draft picks to sweeten the deal so it has to be a players for players swap. It just won't add up.
 
Not sure if this helps or hurts the Cavs but:

Cavs: Vucevic, Derozan
Warriors: Jarrett Allen
Bulls: Kuminga, Multiple draft picks

Bulls would most likely seek more.

Thoughts/modifications?
 

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