Cavs Acquire Mo Williams; Trade Joe Smith & Amon Ones

[fudd]

Re: Cavs After Mo Williams?

No, first youre going to have the expanded 4 team 15 player super trade by a Trade Checker addict. Add to that the misapplied 82games.com stats, the 50 rep Wine N Gold post that ultimately shapes the majority opinion, the PIP photoshop or post that will make us chuckle outloud at our keyboards, the sobering rational Douglar post then you get to the arguing and ultilmately back to the Danny Ferry bashing.

Damn, MYoung23, well put. That was funny. I don't know enough about each poster, so I just generalized. But that shit you wrote was spot on.

 

[TheISHT]

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You know who, you are the man. Just when I was starting to doubt your rumor, this report comes out days later. Never again will I doubt you.

Where did you hear the rumor from??? I'm on this board everyday and never saw anything. Are you talking about that dude that was whining he couldn't start a thread.

 

[Splitz]

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I have expressed in the past a desire to have Mo on the team but I really was hoping we could snag he and Redd in the same deal or he and Charlie. I like what Charlie could do for us at the 4. I think a deal involving the two would solve two problems at the PG position and at PF. Although not the IDEAL fix, it would definitely be solid.

 

[Lumthemad]

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Mo Williams is your talented "gunner-type" who i don't think puts on good numbers unless he's on on a bad team. He wouldn't be bad as anyone who can score has SOME value but much like some other people, i question how he'd fit. He's sort of like Mike James without the defense.

I worry about him tailing off and being stuck with his salary ala' Larry Hughes. Can't always worry about that but with this dude, i just got that sorta vibe.

 

[Zone]

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Maybe Oklahoma is involved in that they are sign and trading Elson to the Bucks? It looks like MIL is right against the luxury tax cap, and signing Elson without sending salary out might put them over the tax line.

 

[TruBuckeye22]

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interesting....like others have mentioned if it is a 3 team trade I would think the Cavs get more back then just Mo Williams. maybe OkC would be trying to move Nick Collison who have 3 yrs at 19 mil left? maybe it is Wilcox?

the thing that worries me about Williams is his injury history but he would add much needed quickness and scoring....as far as why the Bucks may want to trade him I think it just comes down to his contract. now that they are committed long term to Redd, Jefferson, and Bogut for big money and Charlie V will have to be resigned at the end of the year I would say Williams is a contract they would try and clear.

Finnan dpesn't seem to think the Cavs would trade for Williams and keep West but I could see that happening. as the Cavs are currently constructed West could still play minutes off the bench at the 1 or 2...which I think he is best suited for anyhow. heck right now if Wally shoots like he did last season with the Cavs he could start at the 2.

 

[Numbers Guy]

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Yes.. I'm sure we could keep Delonte and bring him off the bench but there are teams out there willing to start him.. like the Heat for example.. we could s&t him for Haslem.

Anyway.. I'm not gonna get into these trade proposals cuz none never happen and I get hyped for nothing.

Honestly, I know a lot of people think the block buster trade was a great move but its funny how the only one who has a chance to still be on this team come the play offs is Ben Wallace just because he can't be moved .. Atleast Wally, Delonte, and Joe are movable. No one would take Donyell or Drew, Cedric.

 

[Shakalu M.D.]

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interesting....like others have mentioned if it is a 3 team trade I would think the Cavs get more back then just Mo Williams. maybe OkC would be trying to move Nick Collison who have 3 yrs at 19 mil left? maybe it is Wilcox?

the thing that worries me about Williams is his injury history but he would add much needed quickness and scoring....as far as why the Bucks may want to trade him I think it just comes down to his contract. now that they are committed long term to Redd, Jefferson, and Bogut for big money and Charlie V will have to be resigned at the end of the year I would say Williams is a contract they would try and clear.

Finnan dpesn't seem to think the Cavs would trade for Williams and keep West but I could see that happening. as the Cavs are currently constructed West could still play minutes off the bench at the 1 or 2...which I think he is best suited for anyhow. heck right now if Wally shoots like he did last season with the Cavs he could start at the 2.

I've been saying that for a while about Delonte, he doesn't have the size to play the 2, but he more than makes up for it in athleticism. Remember he led all point guards in blocked shots, and it is because he can jump out of his shoes.

As far as Mo Will is concerned, If we could get him for a couple of expirings, but manage to hang on to some assets like Wally for moves at the deadline I would be all for it. I don't want to overpay for the guy, he shoots well and puts up good numbers, but I never did understand why Milwaukee didn't play better with a backcourt of him and Redd, while having Bogut and Charlie V. I guess their problem has never been scoring, but defense. Still, there has to be some reason they want to move Mo Will besides just his contract. In theory that should be one of the best backcourts in the NBA. My other real concern is his contract. Doing this we would undoubtedly move some expirings for his big contract. We would be in Luxury Tax hell for the next several years doing this.

I saw somebody earlier said they got a Hughes vibe from Mo Will, unless they are simply talking about injuries I have to disagree. Mo can shoot, and he can shoot lights out. Larry thought he could shoot, when everyone else knew he couldn't shoot his way out of a paper bag.

I like Mo Will, think he has some speed and quickness and an ability to create that we sorely need. It would be nice to have a PG who could score AND dish assists (although I would bet a lot of those assists come from dishing to Redd who hits a 3). I would do a Mo Will trade, but I REALLY would not overpay for him. I want to hold on to some of our assets to make a move for somebody bigger at the deadline (hey, maybe we could reunite Mo and Redd in Cleveland :chuckles. I would LOVE to snag Wilcox if at all possible, I think he has a ton of potential and would be some great youth to have on our frontline.

 

[Shakalu M.D.]

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Yes.. I'm sure we could keep Delonte and bring him off the bench but there are teams out there willing to start him.. like the Heat for example.. we could s&t him for Haslem.

Anyway.. I'm not gonna get into these trade proposals cuz none never happen and I get hyped for nothing.

Honestly, I know a lot of people think the block buster trade was a great move but its funny how the only one who has a chance to still be on this team come the play offs is Ben Wallace just because he can't be moved .. Atleast Wally, Delonte, and Joe are movable. No one would take Donyell or Drew, Cedric.

That is exactly why the blockbuster was a great move, even if it was lateral talent wise it set us up to be major players on the trade market at the deadline. The blockbuster gave us most of our expiring contracts and some tradeable youth. Wally is arguably our best asset with his giant expiring contract. Smith the veteran big with an expiring contract, Ben who expires in 2010 giving us a lot of flexibility, Delonte, young talent who could look good in a trade.

Again, I think we got better in talent, but even if you disagree, the move was successful because of all the options we have now that we didn't have before.

 

[Pioneer10]

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I would imagine if the Cavs are pursuing Mo that they're confident Brown can turn him into a good defender. His offensive numbners are good but defensively is what really hurts the Bucks when he is in

 

[Shakalu M.D.]

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I would imagine if the Cavs are pursuing Mo that they're confident Brown can turn him into a good defender. His offensive numbners are good but defensively is what really hurts the Bucks when he is in

Mo definitely has the athletic gifts to be a good defender, and could be a godsend against those smaller guards like Paul and Parker, with him I think it is just a matter of teaching him defense and making sure he actually plays it. No matter what I think he will be a much improved defender at the end of the year, be it in Cleveland of Milwaukee. No way he plays much in Milwaukee with Skiles at the helm unless he learns a little defense. Same goes for him in Cleveland.

 

[PIP]

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I'm not going to even entertain this thought...

 

[KU_216]

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I would imagine if the Cavs are pursuing Mo that they're confident Brown can turn him into a good defender. His offensive numbners are good but defensively is what really hurts the Bucks when he is in

Brown can turn just about anyone into a decent defender. Just look at what he did with Sasha, and Wally. Like I said, I wouldn't give up too much to get Mo, but I also think he won't be the only one coming here if it is indeed a three team deal. We'll just have to wait and see if anything happens in a few days.

 

[TruBuckeye22]

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like I sais about JR Smith you can teach a guy all you want but he has to have a willingness to be a defender. don't know if Mo is willing or not but if he isn't it doesn't matter who the coach is.

 

[sailfish]

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Maybe Oklahoma is involved in that they are sign and trading Elson to the Bucks? It looks like MIL is right against the luxury tax cap, and signing Elson without sending salary out might put them over the tax line.

Is think dudeman nailed it.
Francisco Elson has confirmed that he is going to Milwaukee, but the signing hasn't become official yet. I think the teams are looking to work a sign & trade of sorts, which will clear up some roster/salary issues that the teams have. This would likely be a sign & trade involving Elson and others. My best guess is the deal would look something like this:

To Cleveland:
PG Mo Williams from Milwaukee
-Williams is a fairly significant upgrade for the Cavaliers at point guard. The question now is what becomes of Delonte West, which is most likely a sign & trade.

To Milwaukee:
PG Earl Watson from OKC
F/C Francisco Elson from OKC
-With the Andrew Bogut extension, the Bucks have alot of money committed to a number of players. They would like to get out from under Williams' contract and get a more defenisve-minded point guard to fit Scott Skiles' system. Watson gives them that as well as a point guard who has a shorter contract than Williams. It also frees up time for Ramon Sessions, who the Bucks like.

To OKC:
PG Eric Snow from Cleveland
-basically it's a salary dump for OKC. They dump Watson and clear up their logjam of point guards in favor of Snow's ending contract, which will soon come off the books once his retirement becomes official.

Other players, like Delonte West, Anderson Varejao, Charlie Villanueva, and Chris Wilcox could be involved, but I think that's unlikely. Milwaukee isn't going to want to commit long-term to a player, like West, IMO and Varejao already reportedly killed a trade to Milwaukee. OKC has a logjam of PF's already, so I can't see them taking on either Villanueva or Varejao. Varejao might be a possibility for them if they think he can play center.
I would love to see the Cavaliers get Robert Swift added to the deal from their end, although they would likely need to send out another player to OKC. Given the salary relief the Cavaliers would be providing and the relationship between Danny Ferry & Sam Presti, anything is possible.