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Cedi Osman Goodbye & Good Luck

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Here is the game:

https://www.anadoluefessk.org/istatistik/312

Using google translate for Cedi's numbers:
11pts (team high) on 4/6 shooting (1/4 from 3), 3 rebounds, 2 assists in 21 minutes.
His team lost 87-78.

also TIL, Alex Kirk is on his team.

Ah yeah, looks like Osman was 5/10 from the field. The 4/6 shooting was on two-point shots. Also, noticed former Buckeye Deshaun Thomas plays for his team.
 
Here is the game:

https://www.anadoluefessk.org/istatistik/312

Using google translate for Cedi's numbers:
11pts (team high) on 4/6 shooting (1/4 from 3), 3 rebounds, 2 assists in 21 minutes.
His team lost 87-78.

also TIL, Alex Kirk is on his team.

So that line is mathematically impossible.

He only missed 2 shots but 3 of those came from behind the arc.

Wow, Cedi is so good he broke math.
 
So that line is mathematically impossible.

He only missed 2 shots but 3 of those came from behind the arc.

Wow, Cedi is so good he broke math.

That's how the Euroleague does their stats, separating threes from field goal percentage. I think it's also important to note Europe didn't even use the number zero until a few hundred years ago. So, the lesson here is: European math is dumb as soup.
 
That's how the Euroleague does their stats, separating threes from field goal percentage. I think it's also important to note Europe didn't even use the number zero until a few hundred years ago. So, the lesson here is: European math is dumb as soup.

I cant stand bad math, that's why I always eat my alphabet soup with spaghetti o's.
 
Watched the game.. blatant officiating in favour of Olympiacos.
Cedi scored all of his points in the 1st half on 3pt shots, fast breaks, straight line drives and one post up play.
He is very limited in his game, he has no between game what so ever. He doesn't want to dribble or make plays at all. All he does is stand on the 3pt line which is a shame really.

His defensive potential is off the charts though.. he is a very good on ball defender and he knows how to go over screens and recover very well.
He contests every shot but he gets outmuscled at times down low.

He needs to work on his dribble and body if he wants to play. I also think he is going to have problems finishing inside.
 
Watched the game.. blatant officiating in favour of Olympiacos.
Cedi scored all of his points in the 1st half on 3pt shots, fast breaks, straight line drives and one post up play.
He is very limited in his game, he has no between game what so ever. He doesn't want to dribble or make plays at all. All he does is stand on the 3pt line which is a shame really.

His defensive potential is off the charts though.. he is a very good on ball defender and he knows how to go over screens and recover very well.
He contests every shot but he gets outmuscled at times down low.

He needs to work on his dribble and body if he wants to play. I also think he is going to have problems finishing inside.
So I remember earlier in the year you were really pro-Osman. I believe we got into a debate about it. If you don't mind me asking, what changed for you? Why do you now think he is going to struggle in the NBA?

As I said then - and I'll repeat now - I think it is very difficult to analyze European players generally, and impossible if you do not actually watch the games. Hence why I am asking people who have watched the games their opinions.
 
So I remember earlier in the year you were really pro-Osman. I believe we got into a debate about it. If you don't mind me asking, what changed for you? Why do you now think he is going to struggle in the NBA?

As I said then - and I'll repeat now - I think it is very difficult to analyze European players generally, and impossible if you do not actually watch the games. Hence why I am asking people who have watched the games their opinions.

Yeah, I still like Osman but there are new things to take into consideration and that is a deep draft, cap space status, the fact that he isn't a 1st round pick and we need to use part of the MLE on him when we have other positions to fill and the fact that he hasn't improved this year like I thought he would.

Beforehand, I didnt watch him as carefully, I liked his tools, liked his 3pt potential, foot speed, defense but the lack of progression or even regression, lack of involvement in the offense and the fact that imo he isn't ready to contribute for the next or two years is a problem.

His ceiling imo is a very good 3&D and energy guy role player but by the time he reaches that, it might be too late.

Yes, it's very difficult to analyze european players, but again, the fact that everytime he gets a pass he throws it right back to the ball handler, unless it's an open 3pt is worrisome.
I have yet to see him create off the dribble and the fact that both Tyler Honeycutt and Brandon Paul look much more dominant is kinda depressing.

I'd like to see him in the combine and SL but it's going to be hard for him to shine without shot creators around him, especially when everyone wants to show their talent.

Dunno what to tell you... I have no idea what his stock is anyways.
 
Stock was rumored to be 1st round pick, maybe close to the lottery, at least around the trade deadline. I would be shocked if he isn't traded and I honestly think it would be the best move for the team, especially considering the challenges of signing him with only exceptions to work with. Packaging him with some salary (Shump or Frye) should be able to snag a solid contributor in a position of need.
 
That's how the Euroleague does their stats, separating threes from field goal percentage. I think it's also important to note Europe didn't even use the number zero until eight hundred years ago. So, the lesson here is: European math is dumb as soup.

Fixed that for you.

Oh, and those crazy European "geometry", "trigonometry", and "calculus" things? Yeah, not useful at all... very dumb.
 
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Fixed that for you.

Oh, and those crazy European "geometry", "trigonometry", and "calculus" things? Yeah, not useful at all... very dumb.

The sarcasm was lost, I suppose. You can have your Age of Enlightenment and metric system, Europe... I got my Freedom Fries and Hollinger analytics from the ESP of N!
 
His ceiling imo is a very good 3&D and energy guy role player but by the time he reaches that, it might be too late.

I think the recent Euro players having early success is potentially a nice indicator that you might be wrong here. I'm not saying he absolutely will be ready but it seems like the transition from Euro to NBA and the gap that has previously existed is, at worst, narrowing considerably

If Cedi is merely capable of guarding at the NBA level to a reasonable degree, he's going to get minutes. There are plenty of potential early regular season minutes for a player on the wing, especially as we try to keep miles off LeBron and RJ retires (which I think is probably likely).

Since he was drafted, he has improved immensely as a prospect and he's just turned 22. With his length and defensive instincts, I'd be pretty disappointed if he didn't develop in to a valuable rotational piece pretty quickly....

From KJG

According to RealGM, Osman had 3.8 offensive win shares and 1.5 defensive win shares this season. He had an offensive rating of 123.7 and defensive rating of 97.3. He had a player efficiency rating (PER) of 21.2.
 
We have already seen what a D League gets a team in the playoffs: Briante Weber ate some minutes for the Warriors when they had an injury, then he got waived and claimed by non-contender Charlotte. DeAndre Liggins ate minutes for the Cavs when there were injuries, then got waived for a veteran and he was claimed by non-contending Dallas. Felder is a stash, but don't expect him to get out of his three piece Tattoo from Fantasy Island costume in the playoffs.

So a player developed in Europe shouldn't have crazy expectations for next year's playoffs, but the scrap heap at the end of the bench the Cavaliers are forced to carry shouldn't be overrated either. It's all about cost efficiency from 11-15 on the roster.
 

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